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Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

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Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

#101

Looks like a neat service. Just as a point of information, should I assume if I don't get a response that my submission has been rejected? Would be nice to get a replying if submissions are not taken into consideration just to know not to wait. Good luck with expanding the service to other cities!

Thanks! No we just haven't sent out emails yet. We should have had an automated message upon signup but didn't put it in (stupidly). We're adding the automated message and will send updates to everyone tonight.

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

#102

Looks like a neat service. Just as a point of information, should I assume if I don't get a response that my submission has been rejected? Would be nice to get a replying if submissions are not taken into consideration just to know not to wait. Good luck with expanding the service to other cities!

Thanks! No we just haven't sent out emails yet. We should have had an automated message upon signup but didn't put it in (stupidly). We're adding the automated message and will send updates to everyone tonight.

Thanks! Yea wasn't sure if there was an automated message I should have received after signup. Anyway, looking forward to hearing back!

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

#103
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Your site jobstart.co has 6 trackers that are invading my privacy. Here are the URLs they hit: s7.addthis.com stats.g.doubleclick.net s-static.ak.facebook.com cdn.optimizely.com 2762420311.log.optimizely.com cdn.segment.com

Sorry to hear your perspective on that. 1) Addthis is what we use for sharing. It's helped us a lot. 2) Google analytics puts in doubleclick. 3) Facebook sharing... yup. 4) We're currently running an A/B test with Optimizely. 5) Segment.io is a great analytics tool. I'd recommend all the above services. That's my opinion on the above!

This answers a reason for why you have them.

However, the point remains. They all do user tracking.

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

#104
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Jobstart works with job seekers to help them get hired, and gets paid when their recruiting clients hire their candidates. Sometimes Jobstart's candidates get jobs at non-clients, and Jobstart doesn't get paid. Jobstart can help negotiate offers, for which they charge the candidate 20% of the difference between original and accepted offer. I'm an independent agency recruiter, and it sounds a lot like what I do. I don…

Hey there! Great questions. 1) All of our coaches are experienced engineers. 2) We're much more involved than recruiters. We're going to run you through in-house interview gauntlets if that's what you want and need (detailed feedback included). We'll rip apart your resume and start from scratch if that's a smart thing to do. I've found 0% of the recruiters I've talked to can do those things effectively -- perhaps you…

1) That's neither a distinct nor a unique advantage. Being an engineer doesn't immediately qualify you as being better placed to advise someone on how to improve their career opportunities.

2) Recruiters won't rip apart a resume. They'll advise you on how to improve what you already have because they'll respect the time and effort you put into creating it in the first place.

3) Is this is short-hand for 'we'll tell you what meet-ups/events to go to'?

4) Again, neither a distinct nor a unique advantage. Recruiters constantly spec candidates out to companies they don't have contractual agreements with. It's how they win new business.

I respect the fact that you're attempting to create a better experience for candidates but ultimately, what you have created is simply a traditional recruitment company that acts and behaves the way a recruitment company is meant to behave.

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

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Jobstart works with job seekers to help them get hired, and gets paid when their recruiting clients hire their candidates. Sometimes Jobstart's candidates get jobs at non-clients, and Jobstart doesn't get paid. Jobstart can help negotiate offers, for which they charge the candidate 20% of the difference between original and accepted offer. I'm an independent agency recruiter, and it sounds a lot like what I do. I don…

Hey there! Great questions. 1) All of our coaches are experienced engineers. 2) We're much more involved than recruiters. We're going to run you through in-house interview gauntlets if that's what you want and need (detailed feedback included). We'll rip apart your resume and start from scratch if that's a smart thing to do. I've found 0% of the recruiters I've talked to can do those things effectively -- perhaps you…

I like it. I like that you do the 20% difference thing. I have never seen that before, and it's clever and aligned well with the goals of the developer. You're basically saying "if we can't get you at one of our customers, we'll find someone else and grind out a great offer for you." You get paid better if it's your own client, but if there is no fit, you at least still go to bat for your engineers.

It's up to the developer to accept it, though, right? They can back out at any point, right?

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

#108
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey there! Great questions. 1) All of our coaches are experienced engineers. 2) We're much more involved than recruiters. We're going to run you through in-house interview gauntlets if that's what you want and need (detailed feedback included). We'll rip apart your resume and start from scratch if that's a smart thing to do. I've found 0% of the recruiters I've talked to can do those things effectively -- perhaps you…

I like it. I like that you do the 20% difference thing. I have never seen that before, and it's clever and aligned well with the goals of the developer. You're basically saying "if we can't get you at one of our customers, we'll find someone else and grind out a great offer for you." You get paid better if it's your own client, but if there is no fit, you at least still go to bat for your engineers. It's up to the de…

Yup -- always up to the developer. We don't create any contracts that binds them into anything.

TBH, we can't take credit for the 20% thing. It's been done before (by itself).

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

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Woah -- wasn't expecting the quick upvotes! :) Creator here (shamefully submitted myself, haha). Happy to answer any/all questions or ramble on and on about the problem. We basically think there needs to be a legitimately trustworthy service out there. Something that acts more like a a career coach instead of a position spammer. Something that understands your needs and specific situation. Along the lines of "doing t…

For the salary negotiations, you take 20% of the difference. What do you do? Do you wait for the candidate to get an offer, then actually go talk to HR at the company on their behalf, or do you simply coach and tell them "Hey ask for $XX,XXX more!"

Re: Jobstart – Personalized, expert guidance to land your next software job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey there! Great questions. 1) All of our coaches are experienced engineers. 2) We're much more involved than recruiters. We're going to run you through in-house interview gauntlets if that's what you want and need (detailed feedback included). We'll rip apart your resume and start from scratch if that's a smart thing to do. I've found 0% of the recruiters I've talked to can do those things effectively -- perhaps you…

1) That's neither a distinct nor a unique advantage. Being an engineer doesn't immediately qualify you as being better placed to advise someone on how to improve their career opportunities. 2) Recruiters won't rip apart a resume. They'll advise you on how to improve what you already have because they'll respect the time and effort you put into creating it in the first place. 3) Is this is short-hand for 'we'll tell y…

Quality points, my responses:

1) You're right it doesn't immediately qualify you, but it does give you a better understanding as to what position requirements actually entail and what people mean when they say "I want to avoid all non-linux dev environments". We just use it as a base filter and then build coaches into the most qualified people over time.

2) Some people need light changes, some people need harsh truth. Recruiters ignore the latter and treat them as lost causes. I don't mean to say we'll disrespect people -- sorry if it came across that way!

3) We're building a network of helpful experts (see https://jobstart.co/experts). We'll give people tips on how to explore their own network, connect with our experts, and do generic things such as attend meetups/events. Depends on the coach and the candidate.

4) Hmm, I'm trying to figure out how to explain this part properly and it's admittedly a bit difficult. Have you ever been sent a specced candidate by a company? What was that experience like -- good or bad? In our experience, it's almost always been bad. Usually it's so bad they don't even get the position requirement and candidate aligned properly, let alone send an outstanding candidate. I think some of this comes back to point #1, having the engineer-coach understand the specs, and letting the candidate themselves even do some initial contact. We don't run the entire job search for you -- we'll intro you to some companies, sure, but we're also going to teach you how to get better conversion % on your own efforts.

"that acts and behaves the way a recruitment company is meant to behave". I disagree with everything in that sentence. Everything is temporary and no company or service is meant to act in any such way. Startups thrive only by finding creative ways of doing things.

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