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There is no known natural cycle in which the rate of change in global temperature matches what's been happening in the past few decades. Current and even projected temperatures are well within the range of what happens naturally, but it's happening much faster than it ever has before. This has worrying implications for the ability of ecosystems to adapt, and more importantly for us humans, for the ability of civiliza…
I'm a non-secular person that's why. I certainly don't have the numbers, i read them here and there. But i base it on knowledge coming from scriptures. Scientists are hardworking people, but i don't take their numbers as faith.
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#42Real question: how did they observe land-ocean temperature in 1880? Edit: and how does it compare to how it's observed now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_England_temperature
Ocean temperatures were also measured during the research voyages around that time.
However, it is also possible to deduce temperatures from closed-off water bodies such as ground water or water inclusions in rock (such as stalagmites). While radioactive decay can give you the time since last exposure to open air (different elements have to be used depending on the expected age range), ratios of other things such as noble gases can give you the temperature at that exposure. (Different gases have different solubility curves in dependence of temperature.) Ground water bodies can be over 1000 years old, so 1880 is definitely within the timeframe. At the same time, the techniques are also used on ice cores. The time resolution can be quite different between the techniques, though. Similar techniques can also be used for ocean temperature, I presume.
Now, we also use thermometers. There are distributed networks of weather stations. You could argue that newer thermometers have a higher accuracy, but at the same time it is very hard to create an environment where you measure air temperature only, and are not influenced by parameters such as irradiation. Thus, as the page mentions, normally only deviations are given.
Plus, of course, satellites give a much better spatial resolution. (Have fun with atmospheric layers then.. with of course different temperatures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Satellite_temperature_measur...)
Here is a very detailed publication on the topic of isotopes in water, just in case you are bored:
http://www-naweb.iaea.org/napc/ih/IHS_resources_publication_...
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#43In climate 130 years is not a long time. I wish these articles showed graphs with historical data that go back thousands of years so that I could see how, in a historical context, greenhouse emissions are affecting the world. I've only ever seen data from the 1900's, and it looks pretty hockey stick, but would be interesting to see fluctuations with the ice age(s) and local highs included. Edit: historical data is of…
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/ghg/ghg-... http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract
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http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/ghg/ghg-... http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract
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I'm a non-secular person that's why. I certainly don't have the numbers, i read them here and there. But i base it on knowledge coming from scriptures. Scientists are hardworking people, but i don't take their numbers as faith.
OK, so you think humans can't possibly affect the climate because the all-powerful creator of the universe said it couldn't happen? Why are you even trying to put a factual basis on your doubt, then? Why talk about natural cycles and all that, if your actual source for doubt is divine?
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#47Being patronising has such a great track record in turning hearts and minds, I'm glad they didn't stoop to such decadent clap track as "engaging with opposing arguments".
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#48In climate 130 years is not a long time. I wish these articles showed graphs with historical data that go back thousands of years so that I could see how, in a historical context, greenhouse emissions are affecting the world. I've only ever seen data from the 1900's, and it looks pretty hockey stick, but would be interesting to see fluctuations with the ice age(s) and local highs included. Edit: historical data is of…
I think in the context of convincing people that we urgently need to address the current climate problem (for economic, ecological, and security reasons), that might be distracting. Assuming there are probably other interglacial periods in Earth's long history that were a lot warmer than the current one[0], or maybe had lots more greenhouse gasses from some non-human source (if such a thing is geologically possible),…
True, but they were a long time ago and the human species wasn't around to experience them. The rate of change of present warming, and its likely effects, are going to cause very severe difficulties for our (and many other) species.
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#49Cool visualization. It's worth keeping in mind that the modeled data lines up with reality because it's supposed to. That's how you calibrate your model, by making sure it fits reality. The real trick is to see how well your model extrapolates from the data you have out into the future. As in, if you feed it data up to, say, 1990, will it correctly spit out 2015 temperatures that fit the reality of 2015, or will it s…
Is there a scorecard for which models have performed well?
https://www.google.com/search?q=1990s+climate+models+versus+...
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#50This article only serves to stroke the ego of people who already believe that CO2 emissions cause global warming. It does nothing for people who already deny it. Evidence, no matter how strong doesn't serve to change the nature of a man. People would rather bend the logic and the evidence to fit their convenient perception of reality. Which brings me to the question: "What can change a nature of a man?" Imminent dang…