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Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by orkoden »

richmarr wrote: post #65
amandine wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem of SaaS is having your company data stored by someone you have to trust... So I reckon it depends on your use case: if I'm a small company who doesn't want to bother running/maintaining the service then I'm more than happy to hand it over to someone else and trust them. If I don't want to trust anyone with my data I'd rather have something simple to deploy and run myself. The same way that having a closed…

Yeah, there'll always be companies like that but as more and more large orgs, government departments, etc. migrate all their email over to Gmail, I'm starting to consider that as a niche. Those orgs are also disproportionately likely to want to build their own thing because they have a hope of making the economics of scale add up.

There are standards for E-Mail though. So you can move your mail around different providers.

With your chat system it's a lot harder. You can't move your yammer content into slack easily.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#102

Post by orkoden »

it33 wrote: post #72
volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

Mattermost team here, We think choice is good, and open source reduces the cost of creating more choice.

I actually prefer todays web video to having to install RealPlayer, Quicktime, Windows Media Player, Flash player, Shockwave player just play video on the web.

Choice is not always good.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by fixxer »

orkoden wrote: post #100
volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

A great RFC instead a dozen incompatible startups would be the best thing since IRC.

The best thing since IRC is IRC.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#104

Post by nadams »

javiercr wrote: post #39

> We’re a YC-backed indie video game company releasing an open source alternative to Slack. Don't want to troll you guys here, but if you're a video game company why are you spending so much time building a Slack clone? I was expecting some short of explanation in your blog post like "we did this because this serves as a core piece of our company for X reason and Slack didn't fit our use case for Y reason".

> Don't want to troll you guys here, but if you're a video game company why are you spending so much time building a Slack clone?

I think a better perspective is that this is a tool they needed/wanted and built it - it's really no different than a map editor. Also some companies like Google have a X% time to work on a "personal" project during work hours - and this could be the result of that.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by it33 »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #76
volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

But this one is written in Go!

Go is awesome!!

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#107

Post by jerf »

orkoden wrote: post #100
volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

A great RFC instead a dozen incompatible startups would be the best thing since IRC.

I'm not aware of any particular feature that doesn't fit into XMPP with a couple new namespaces at most.

And before you get too down on XMPP, bear in mind that anything that standardizes half-a-dozen chat clients will end up pretty nasty on its own, too. It all looks simple when you're a user of the client, but under the hood chat systems get... "interesting". In the apocryphal Chinese curse sense.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#108

Post by [deleted] »

chii wrote: post #33
timdorr wrote: post #6

Here's the code: https://github.com/mattermost/platform From the look of the screenshots ( http://www.mattermost.org/70-2/ ), I'd say there are some copyright concerns with the styles. This isn't a Slack alternative, it's a Slack clone. That's very problematic from a copyright stance. Why not create your own design style? Gogs had (has?) this same issue: https://github.com/gogits/gogs/issues/1069

> That's very problematic from a copyright stance why? they didn't copy slack (i assume) - it just looks similar. Slack doesn't (and shouldn't be allowed) own a look and feel, as long as the implementation of it is cleanroom.

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Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#109

Post by MrDosu »

richmarr wrote: post #62
ville wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you say that, given that the company that built Slack (originally named Tiny Speck) was also a video game company initially. :)

Funny in what way? Not sure I see the point you're alluding to.

To me funny in a way that they seem to be really bad making money with making video games...

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

#110

Post by flyosity »

it33 wrote: post #70

Mattermost team here. Thank you!! This feedback is awesome. Working on some replies...

Why don't you work on an interface that isn't a nearly exact copy of Slack's before you work on some replies. Copying their functionality is one thing but copying their look and feel is not only pathetic, but against U.S. intellectual property laws. You guys made the equivalent of a Chinese knock-off product. And why not focus on your startup instead of working on cloning other team's hard work?
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