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Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by icebraining »

crdoconnor wrote: post #47
jnbiche wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because almost certainly engineers will want to integrate an on-premises system into their existing system, and that will trigger the AGPL for all the systems that are network-connected to the AGPL system. Unless you are sure that your engineers will know to not try to integrate the AGPL software with any of your existing systems, I agree that people should just stay away.

>Because almost certainly engineers will want to integrate an on-premises system into their existing system, and that will trigger the AGPL for all the systems that are network-connected to the AGPL system. That's the FUD version. The real version is that unless you are changing the source code (hint: not just writing a plugin using an externally facing API) and deploying it, you don't have to do shit.

And you still don't have to do shit even if you are changing the source code, as long as you only deploy it internally, which doesn't count as redistribution.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by pjc50 »

it33 wrote: post #72
volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

Mattermost team here, We think choice is good, and open source reduces the cost of creating more choice.

Choice itself is also a cost, beyond a certain point. The more alternatives, the harder it is to evaluate them all properly.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by icebraining »

jnbiche wrote: post #34
drummer32 wrote: post #29

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I don't understand you reasoning at all. What could be the problem with using a chat software that is released under AGPL?

Because almost certainly engineers will want to integrate an on-premises system into their existing system, and that will trigger the AGPL for all the systems that are network-connected to the AGPL system. Unless you are sure that your engineers will know to not try to integrate the AGPL software with any of your existing systems, I agree that people should just stay away.

It'll only trigger the AGPL if you make it available to outside users. Internal use doesn't count as redistribution for any of the *GPL licenses.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by Touche »

richmarr wrote: post #50
lmm wrote: post #38

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So many slack alternatives are coming up because slack is really good. It's that simple.

...and because so few people apparently realise that's Slack's value is in the quality execution, which can be copied by a decent team (but takes a phenomenal team to beat).

As far as I can tell Gitter is owning the space for open source projects, so there are definitely niches here.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by mrmondo »

StavrosK wrote: post #64
mrmondo wrote: post #61

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Let's chat looked great but we were a little put off by mongodb and something else that escapes my mind right now so we ended up sticking with OpenFire for our XMPP server / chat rooms for the time being although it certainly has it's share of bugs.

Ah, an XMPP server is a good choice for IM for us, although I can't get the team to stick around in the channels for very long. Maybe that's a culture problem, though.

I'd say it likely is a culture problem, the first thing all our developers, project managers and engineers do when they get to work is login to the chat server. Everyone has their clients (mostly Adium with a few running Pidgin / Empathy) set to auto-join a couple of rooms, we have one called #devops that most people join and then one per major product that people may be working on.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by devonkim »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #41
lukebennett wrote: post #36

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Whilst I take your point, worth noting that Slack does offer an IRC gateway to allow for use via an IRC client. Not quite the same thing as basing everything on IRC, but better than nothing?

True. Did it always offer that? I seem to have missed that feature last time I checked Slack out.

I saw the IRC gateway feature a little bit after the launch. I don't remember seeing it in the initial launch feature list and that it was "coming up" more or less.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by icebraining »

pjc50 wrote: post #82
it33 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mattermost team here, We think choice is good, and open source reduces the cost of creating more choice.

Choice itself is also a cost, beyond a certain point. The more alternatives, the harder it is to evaluate them all properly.

That's not really a problem, you just a number of them you can evaluate (say, 10), either from some recommendation list or randomly, and ignore the others. The end result will be the same as if those others hadn't existed at all.

Re: Mattermost: Open-source, on-premises, Slack alternative

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Post by jmkni »

volent wrote: post #5

I don't really get why there is so many Slack alternatives coming up these days. On every post like this there is tons of comment linking to other Slack alternatives, it's not like this is gonna be _the_ Slack-alternative. Here is a non exhaustive list : RocketChat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9624737 Let's Chat : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9040841 Friends : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94…

I guess it's because it looks like a pretty easy application to build.

'Looks like' being key there.

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