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Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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Um, brainwaves != subjective cognitive effects. Even plain old, ordinary, non-binaural music has significant, meaningful cognitive effects (and is often used in gyms and therapy for that purpose). Most know from first-hand experience that sound can affect the brain (and body) in significant ways. Sound affects neurotransmitters and hormones in the body. If it didn't, we probably wouldn't have ears. The purpose of ear…

I think the "binaural beat" literature is focused on the question of whether such beats can affect people without conscious auditory processing —i.e., whether the particular firing pattern the beats create is an effective side-channel attack on the synaptic substrate.

What is "conscious auditory processing", and what is "an effective side-channel attack on the synaptic substrate"?

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #10

Um, brainwaves != subjective cognitive effects. Even plain old, ordinary, non-binaural music has significant, meaningful cognitive effects (and is often used in gyms and therapy for that purpose). Most know from first-hand experience that sound can affect the brain (and body) in significant ways. Sound affects neurotransmitters and hormones in the body. If it didn't, we probably wouldn't have ears. The purpose of ear…

I think the "binaural beat" literature is focused on the question of whether such beats can affect people without conscious auditory processing —i.e., whether the particular firing pattern the beats create is an effective side-channel attack on the synaptic substrate.

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Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #10

Um, brainwaves != subjective cognitive effects. Even plain old, ordinary, non-binaural music has significant, meaningful cognitive effects (and is often used in gyms and therapy for that purpose). Most know from first-hand experience that sound can affect the brain (and body) in significant ways. Sound affects neurotransmitters and hormones in the body. If it didn't, we probably wouldn't have ears. The purpose of ear…

I think the "binaural beat" literature is focused on the question of whether such beats can affect people without conscious auditory processing —i.e., whether the particular firing pattern the beats create is an effective side-channel attack on the synaptic substrate.

The problem is that EEGs can only measure symptoms, not root causes. They could have obtained exactly the pattern they were after, but still not have achieved their goal cognitive state.

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #3

TL;DR: No, they do not.

also follows from [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

I think that 'law' is better applied when the headline is trying to catch attention by making an aggressive claim, but wants to not be straight up lying. Here it's genuinely taking a skeptical point of view on binaural beats.

For example 'Could this new device give you thirty more years of life?' (no) versus 'Does Elon Musk have intentions of leaving Tesla soon?' (no) (or yes, I don't really know)

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #16
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also follows from [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

I think that 'law' is better applied when the headline is trying to catch attention by making an aggressive claim, but wants to not be straight up lying. Here it's genuinely taking a skeptical point of view on binaural beats. For example 'Could this new device give you thirty more years of life?' (no) versus 'Does Elon Musk have intentions of leaving Tesla soon?' (no) (or yes, I don't really know)

Yes, that is valid. Yathern's corollary?

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #6

TL;DR: No, they do not.

"we've done this experiment on two subjects"

"Warning: Here Be Amateurs We aim for high-quality science, but we're not EEG experts or professional researchers. There may be bugs in our code, glitches in our mathematics, shorts in our circuits, or flies in our ointments."

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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post #8

TL;DR: No, they do not.

I wouldn't be too eager to draw a definitive conclusion from N=2 .

Wasn't even single blind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_experiment

I'm sure we could at the very least get a strong placebo response with the right participant.

Re: Do Binaural Beats Really Affect Brainwaves?

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Can the equipment detect differences between brainwaves, outside of binaural beats?

Have they run the same tests where they're trying to find the difference between someone resting (i.e. watching television) and someone being very mentally active (i.e. deep programming or whatnot)?

That would give an idea of how large the effect should be.

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