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Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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I'm more interested in how imgur survives since they serve up far more bandwidth that reddit does and their own advertising and community efforts are pretty young relatively, not to mention hotlinks bypass that entirely.

Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

Whoa. Cloudflare's CDN traffic (served from cache presumably) is free? Really?

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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Yes, but that was our traffic trajectory before Digg v4 too, wasn't it?

IIRC we were doubling every 8-12 months, and Digg sped that up a bit for us that year. It wasn't like a make-or-break moment, but we certainly felt it. :) Fortunately you had just turned up a bunch of new servers just days before.

> Fortunately you had just turned up a bunch of new servers just days before.

We call that "capacity planning". ;)

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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post #11

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I'm more interested in how imgur survives since they serve up far more bandwidth that reddit does and their own advertising and community efforts are pretty young relatively, not to mention hotlinks bypass that entirely.

Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

Imgur used other CDNs before, as well (they were on EdgeCast, not sure if they still are).

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more interested in how imgur survives since they serve up far more bandwidth that reddit does and their own advertising and community efforts are pretty young relatively, not to mention hotlinks bypass that entirely.

Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

> Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare.

CloudFlare is not free, nowhere near it, if you're Imgur or 4chan. moot has emphasised this before. It's expensive.

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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post #71

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Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

Whoa. Cloudflare's CDN traffic (served from cache presumably) is free? Really?

CloudFlare has a free tier, but Imgur and 4chan don't use it (they couldn't, at their scale).

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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I always feel strange being nostalgic about a website. Like I don't feel weird being nostalgic about a classic episode of The Simpsons or a rock concert, but for YouTube or Newgrounds or now Reddit, I do. I've used reddit for like 7 years. Gleamed helpful info from it. Even won a contest off that site (still got that postcard of all the admin's autographs). Yet my continuing theme with that site was their social expe…

I think a lot of people feel the same way about Reddit as they do about The Simpsons : It used to be good. Like so many mega-scale communities before it, Reddit is a case study in what happens if you let your user base grow faster than your cultural core can assimilate it. To get the good content you need to dig deeper and deeper now, hide yourself away from the deluge of garbage that is the top-level groups. /r/prog…

I feel terribly sad to read that, since I'm still in love with Reddit. I've learned so many cool things there, ranging from technical stuff (even HN was probably introduced to me there) to politics, fitness, drugs, and all kinds of cool stuff I can think about. I've probably be using it for a couple years, and I still like it as much as I liked it yesterday. I can realize how cooler it was before, but really, it's still a really good site with really good content.

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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I always feel strange being nostalgic about a website. Like I don't feel weird being nostalgic about a classic episode of The Simpsons or a rock concert, but for YouTube or Newgrounds or now Reddit, I do. I've used reddit for like 7 years. Gleamed helpful info from it. Even won a contest off that site (still got that postcard of all the admin's autographs). Yet my continuing theme with that site was their social expe…

I think a lot of people feel the same way about Reddit as they do about The Simpsons : It used to be good. Like so many mega-scale communities before it, Reddit is a case study in what happens if you let your user base grow faster than your cultural core can assimilate it. To get the good content you need to dig deeper and deeper now, hide yourself away from the deluge of garbage that is the top-level groups. /r/prog…

I agree with the other replies in that I don't think the quality of Reddit has necessarily gone down, you just have to look in the right places. You probably can't get the deep discussions that you initially could, but on the other side of the coin you also can't get the vast amount of new content that you might've never come across.

You certainly do need to hide away from the top level stuff and find the sub-reddits which you can tolerate. For example, the sports reddits are awesome forums for me to visit, but the design and web design ones rarely grab my attention.

With a community of any size that can grow infinitely it is going to be tough to maintain quality. With that being said I created a site that tries something a bit different where you can only follow 150 people and the content you see are the links and posts those 150 people comment on.

This doesn't limit the amount of content you can see because the 150 people in your network will be following their own set of people and so forth so the good content should spread naturally throughout the site. In essence I guess you could think of it as a mix between HN and Twitter where you get to curate the content based on who you follow.

It's called Dunbargo if anyone is interested in checking it out: https://dunbargo.com

There are two restrictions that might not sit well with the HN crowd, but things I put in place to manage quality:

1. You have to connect to LinkedIn just so the site can get your real name. 2. The people you invite you are stuck with forever. This means you can't just toss around your invites without any thought, but instead have to consider if the person you are going to invite will actively do a good job contributing to your stream.

These guidelines make it so the site isn't for everybody, but then again I'm not trying to create a place for everybody.

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

> Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. CloudFlare is not free, nowhere near it, if you're Imgur or 4chan. moot has emphasised this before. It's expensive.

I said free/extremely cheap, should have said relatively cheap. Cloudflare is relatively cheap (significantly so) compared to the competition.

Source where moot says cloudflare's low cost keeps 4chan running https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6682324.

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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Reddit is owned by a billion dollar company, and does not need to be profitable. Especially with all the marketing going through the front page every single day, it's an advertisers paradise. I don't think they're hurting for money. Contrary to popular belief Reddit is not some grass-roots operations.

It's been operationally independent since 2011: http://www.redditblog.com/2011/09/independence.html

It is an interesting definition of independent - they are still owned by another company, and have a minority on the board of directors.

Sure, they are off-leash now, and have been for years. And that may even be the long-term intent. But if someone owns you, they can always change the status quo.

Re: Happy 10th birthday to us

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Imgur uses the free/extremely cheap CDN Cloudflare. Same with 4chan. The vast majority of Imgur's content gets served at the CDN layer so Imgur doesn't have to pay for that bandwidth. moot (of 4chan) said a while back that Cloudflare is one of the main reasons 4chan is still around these days.

CloudFlare told me that using them to host images/media isn't allowed. That they do the CDN bits for websites, but not to do excessive non-webpage stuff. Their ToS says something like that. Maybe that changes for a few K a month?

Aren't images and video webpage stuff?
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