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Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by MrDosu »

happyscrappy wrote: post #75
rayiner wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom didn't grow up here, and she doesn't speak English as a first language so she barely consumes U.S. media. The idea that her viewpoints are the result of media indoctrination is ridiculous. The area that the media hammers hardest (foreign policy) is the one area where she disagrees with the government, and she opposes things the media is broadly in favor of (gay marriage, decriminalized marijuana).

It is easier to pretend people were tricked by marketing than accept the fact that the majority disagree with you.

To pretend you are not a product of your environment is just silly. I know that basically all my thought process is crafted by the countries i grew up in. Travel the world a bit, you'll get it eventually.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

veidr wrote: post #77
fixxer wrote: post #74

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As opposed to Obama, who had absolutely zero track record?

No, as opposed to most political candidates who have historically been taken seriously as candidates for the presidency. Obama was (and is) an outlier.

It's worth noting that Obama himself was not originally planning to run in 2008 due to lack of experience in public office. Tom Daschle is responsible for pushing him to run precisely because he had no track record on hot topic issues that weakened the competition.

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Post by oaktowner »

briandear wrote: post #69
gerty wrote: post #29

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It does read like an ode before a coronation. Though a poorly written one. Anything but Clinton/Bush. Sanders perhaps.

Sanders? An admitted Socialist? How about Rand Paul? Someone that has actually fought on the right side of issues important to the HN community. Sanders actually supports an 80% tax rate. If you want an economy that resembles Romania in the 1980s, vote for Sanders. If you want freedom, vote Rand Paul. Democrat values are inconsistent with entrepreneurial. They want to disincentivize success with higher taxes and they…

The highest tax rate in the US as recently as 1978 was 70% [1], and had been as 91% (!) from the forties through the sixties. So I don't know why you assume that a high tax rate on the very wealthiest leads to Romania, 1980.

America's incredible post-war boom and burgeoning strong middle-class all happened at a time when the very wealthiest had very high tax rates.

[1] http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/...

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by happyscrappy »

MrDosu wrote: post #91
happyscrappy wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is easier to pretend people were tricked by marketing than accept the fact that the majority disagree with you.

To pretend you are not a product of your environment is just silly. I know that basically all my thought process is crafted by the countries i grew up in. Travel the world a bit, you'll get it eventually.

You have no free will? Only what your country taught you? Speak for yourself because you are not arguing that the majority is not in agreement you are just saying "you are a stupid American" which is one of the few acceptable slurs.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by zxcvcxz »

briandear wrote: post #69
gerty wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does read like an ode before a coronation. Though a poorly written one. Anything but Clinton/Bush. Sanders perhaps.

Sanders? An admitted Socialist? How about Rand Paul? Someone that has actually fought on the right side of issues important to the HN community. Sanders actually supports an 80% tax rate. If you want an economy that resembles Romania in the 1980s, vote for Sanders. If you want freedom, vote Rand Paul. Democrat values are inconsistent with entrepreneurial. They want to disincentivize success with higher taxes and they…

>This instinctive anti-Reublicann sentiment is depressing

Most people on HN are probably too young to remember a republican president before GW Bush.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #56
MrDosu wrote: post #21

"Because the other side doesn't have a viable candidate" Glorious two party system, how is that even remotely called democracy by anyone?

What about the results of the two party system make you think it hinders democracy? Bearing in mind that the average voter is basically my mom? We have pretty much exactly the government my mom wants. Harsh drug laws, extreme jail sentences, generous social security, lots of regulatory protections, etc. Probably the only light between her and Obama is she dislikes his foreign policy (she's from a Muslim country, whic…

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Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mrweasel wrote: post #48
adventured wrote: post #31

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There's no correlation between having a lot of parties and a sound, well functioning political system. See: Italy, and a dozen other examples from Europe over the last 70 years If your culture is rotten, your politics will be rotten, regardless of whether you have 2, 5, 27 parties.

>There's no correlation between having a lot of parties and a sound, well functioning political system. Absolutely true, but it is remarkable that the Danes had 10 parties to choose from at our election for parliament last week and the US is supposed to be able feel represented by only two parties. Denmark is pretty much as homogeneous a society as it is possible to be in a modern world and yet we have 10 parties, gr…

The US does have more than two parties. Most ballots have anywhere from 3 to 6. It's just that nobody votes for them unless they happen to nominate someone from the big two.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by clarky07 »

rsynnott wrote: post #43
joelrunyon wrote: post #7

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I get voting on party - what scares me is voting on someone because they "paid their dues" - which is especially mind boggling when you look at people's approval ratings of those same candidates in their previous jobs (typically congress - which is hanging out at around 16%).

I think the "paid their dues" thing is meant to be necessary but not sufficient. That is, a lot of people would be cautious of voting for someone who had no significant political experience.

Except for our current president, when he ran in 2008?
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