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Are there any SaaS services that take care of hosting, selling, billing etc that small bands can use? May be the SaaS app can take 10% of the sales or something like that (like udemy, but for music)? If there are, what are the reasons the smaller bands aren't using them?

If at the end, Apple/Google/Amazon/Microsoft replace the record labels and become the new overlords of music, then nothing much has changed, right?

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Spotify app itself doesn't support AirPlay/Chromecast but some 3rd party apps allow you to stream Spotify to them. On the other hand, Spotify has its own streaming protocol which is supported by a few player/speaker brands (e.g. Gramofon).

Spotify app on iOs definitely supports AirPlay natively. I stream to my Airport Express pretty much every day.

Oh yes, you're right.

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"It's not about avoiding paying any US taxes, it's about avoiding paying US taxes on earnings abroad." It's also about structuring earnings so that they happen to be earned abroad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

Here are my simple thoughts. If an entity pays for an Apple product or service in the US, Apple has earned an income. This income is without doubt subject to taxes in the US. As far as I know Apple does pay US taxes on these monies. Do we agree this far? I don't see why we can fault Apple for not repatriating income it earned abroad. They can do as they please with it as long as they don't bring it back in the US. I'…

Here are my thoughts:

America invented the transistor and Internet with tax money, plus educated most of the engineers who built those products up to grade 12. But everyone acts like it'd be some moral tragedy for Apple to pay taxes back into that system. It's disgusting. Our society has been overrun by MBAs. Nobody thought like this 30 years ago.

Also you completely ignored my actual point about the flexibility of where money was 'earned' if you have good accountants.

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Apple put themselves in a comfortable spot here. They generously offer a trial period, but then they make sure someone else pays for it (the artists). And the people paying the costs don't even have a say in it, except the obvious “my way or the highway” choice of using Apple at all.

Fascinating how Apple can make every cent of cash end up in their own register, but the people paying for this optimisation are the “partners” in the middle between Apple & the consumer.

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Unless you happen to be this Summer's big record... in which case your one profitable window for your track will have has just been obliterated.

Lets say you are that artist. You have practiced, trained, studied. You have worked hard and have a rare natural talent. You sang the songs and played guitar. Now you have "this summer's big record". Two million children want to listen to your song (without paying any additional costs) 50-100 times over the next 3 months, and then never again. How much is that worth to society? How much money should you make from tha…

> Lets say you are that artist. You have practiced, trained, studied. You have worked hard and have a rare natural talent. You sang the songs and played guitar. Now you have "this summer's big record".

You should read KLF's The Manual. For purposes of achieving "this summer's big record", there's quite often not a lot of correlation with training, study, talent, etc.

Not saying that's always the case and in particular, it's very different with artists producing more than two or three top10 hits, over time, or producing more than one successful full album with good sales. It's that consistency and prolonged creativity that really requires the talent and training. For the #1 big summer hit, it often suffices to just be lucky, hitting the right gimmick and vibe at the right time, just like a video or meme going viral.

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Unless you happen to be this Summer's big record... in which case your one profitable window for your track will have has just been obliterated.

Lets say you are that artist. You have practiced, trained, studied. You have worked hard and have a rare natural talent. You sang the songs and played guitar. Now you have "this summer's big record". Two million children want to listen to your song (without paying any additional costs) 50-100 times over the next 3 months, and then never again. How much is that worth to society? How much money should you make from tha…

Let's say you release a technical book that you've spent a year of your life writing (Not to mention the years of education and training to gather the knowledge to write it). It's for a hot new, but somewhat niche, technology, and you release it just as Amazon decides all ebooks are free for three months. It's a #1 new release, and the buzz from the new release publicity sells tens of thousands of copies in the first few months. Afterwards, everyone who wants it has a copy, and the sales months later are somewhat meager. The technology you wrote it for is later replaced by some new Ruby library, so there aren't a lot of kids picking it up that might be interested in your book -- sales flatten.

Sure, you didn't write anything that was going to join the ranks of "The Art of Computer Programming," but surely you wouldn't be okay just giving up the hundred thousand dollars or so in royalties you could have made? Without artists writing hit summer songs, there would be no hit summer songs. Without people writing flavor-of-the-month technical books, we wouldn't have those either. You might scoff, but people should be paid for these things.

"If you dont like the fact that Apple wants you to be their slave, then distribute your music yourself." That's exactly what Taylor is doing. What's your point?

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This is simply false. Apple's deal shares more revenue with the artists than any other service. Therefore if users adopt Apple Music, the artists will get more in aggregate. http://recode.net/2015/06/15/heres-what-happens-to-your-10-a... My point is not that I believe that Apple should keep the excess profit. It's that if Apple's service increases the overalls profit for the artists it's reasonable that they should s…

Artists are double dipping? Boy I hope you don't run into an artist who knows that you just said this...

An artist like Taylor swift, you mean, worth $300M?

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For everyone suggesting that artists are simply being greedy or unreasonable in expecting Apple to pay them during the trial period, I'd encourage you to consider the hypothetical I posted in the last thread about Apple Music's 3 month trial. It might help contextualize the artists' and labels' complaints: > Tomorrow, Apple announces that it will be introducing an "App Store Subscription." For $9.99/month users will…

The Spotify / Apple streaming payment model isn't even as fair as that:

The revenue from all users is pooled, and then divided per listen rather than per user/artist etc.

So this'd be like splitting the app store sub revenue by "app launches" or some other bullshit.

Pop junk like Taylor gets a far higher fraction of revenue than they deserve, from teens listening to it non-stop.

Artists that I like get 0% of my cash, even if I listen to nothing but their music.

The system would at least be fair in scope if artists got a share of each users subscription fee, split per listen for the songs they listened to.

That the payments involved are very small and mostly go to middlemen is a separate problem, the whole system is designed to fuck niche artists.

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> You can't plan for it. Sounds like a good way to get sued by your investors. > The corpses of businesses that scaled past their ability > to serve their customers are real. Turns out that a Rails App + someone calling themselves a "Serial Startup CEO" on LinkedIn don't necessarily equate to a business.

> Sounds like a good way to get sued by your investors. You can try and anticipate it and you can model the risk and try to mitigate downside risk. You cannot "plan" for it though - it's a factor outside of your direct control. It's not a target you can hit or not hit, you just are prepared and lucky either way. > Turns out that a Rails App + someone calling themselves a "Serial Startup CEO" on LinkedIn don't necessa…

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