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How would you know that?
Give me one historical example.
You want me to give an example of something I'm claiming we don't know?
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#42I think Snowden/Wikileaks/EFF/ioerror etc are probably much better at endpoint(ie the computers used to access the documents) security than most governments. AFAIK they are not using Windows, all the hacks the Schneier mentions are on Windows systems, rather Tails Linux and other such tools.
There is alot of spin when it comes to security.
It's pure speculation from Schneier. Also Interesting that Schneier has not mentioned this article on his twitter.
Re: Bruce Schneier: China and Russia Almost Definitely Have the Snowden Docs
#43I think Snowden/Wikileaks/EFF/ioerror etc are probably much better at endpoint(ie the computers used to access the documents) security than most governments. AFAIK they are not using Windows, all the hacks the Schneier mentions are on Windows systems, rather Tails Linux and other such tools.
There is alot of spin when it comes to security.
It's pure speculation from Schneier. Also Interesting that Schneier has not mentioned this article on his twitter.
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> > The vulnerability is not Snowden; it’s everyone who has access to the files. > > First, the journalists working with the documents. > Bruce Schneier is falling into the trap of saying since computer security is hard, the NSA has certainly been compromised and we can assume these docs have been out there for a while. The NSA has been compromised. By Snowden. There's no assumption there, that's fact. Now, access to…
Yeah but the point is that the NSA is most likely much easier to compromise than the Snowden documents.
Wait... you believe that the NSA is easier to compromise than the computers of reporters from multiple international news agencies with various levels of computer security policies and knowledge?
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You want me to give an example of something I'm claiming we don't know?
Surely if this is possible you could find one example in all of human history.
If I had better knowledge of military history, maybe. But I find it extremely unlikely that there has never been a situation where somebody knew some secret about their enemy that encouraged them into a concession instead of resistance. I mean, it happens in legal situations every day.
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#47NSA adopted two man rule for system administration only after Snowden leaks. Before Snowden anyone with similar access as Snowden could have copied the same data. What is the probability that at least one guy with same access as Snowden spied for China or Russia? I would say close to 1.0.
"%50 of former employees admit to stealing confidential company data" [1] Even with oaths and allegiences, the probability that Snowden is the only one to take advantage of the lax security in the NSA is 0. [1] http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release/article.jsp?prid=...
The NSA is not a corporation. They put exponentially more care in vetting before trusting with top secret intelligence access.
Re: Bruce Schneier: China and Russia Almost Definitely Have the Snowden Docs
#48To suggest all foreign superpowers have access to the NSA goods because "security is hard", and "Snowden was able to wander through the NSA’s networks with impunity", is a weak conjecture at best.
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#49I know I'm late to the conversation, but Bruce Schneier posted an update on the Lawfare website: http://www.lawfareblog.com/do-russians-and-chinese-have-snow...
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Yeah but the point is that the NSA is most likely much easier to compromise than the Snowden documents.
Wait... you believe that the NSA is easier to compromise than the computers of reporters from multiple international news agencies with various levels of computer security policies and knowledge?
I'll let Schneier answer that, in case you didn't read the article:
> The open question is which countries have sophisticated enough cyberespionage operations to mount a successful attack against one of the journalists or against the intelligence agencies themselves. And while I have my own mental list, the truth is that I don’t know. But certainly Russia and China are on the list, and it’s just as certain they didn’t have to wait for Snowden to get access to the files.