Live data from Hacker News

Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

fastcompany.com

11–20 of 48 posts

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#11

At some point we must get rid of all the humans on earth to keep up economic growth. Not entirely joking. Since companies are legal entities and can be run by algorithms, then it's possible that such non-human companies end up with all the capital and all the power. Of course nations and legal systems will also be automatized, with maximum growth as the objective. Then the algorithms can just starve people to death i…

Why does trade require growth?

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#12
post #4

What I don't understand about the Blockchain hype (and I say that as a fan of Bitcoin): isn't the primary problem it solves the avoidance of double spending? Or in the case of Ethereum, perhaps double contracts. But still, the issue seems a bit overblown to me: to double spend (or present fake contracts, or more generally, fake data), you somehow have to isolate the victims network before injecting the fake transacti…

I don't understand it all either, but I can appreciate one of the key benefits is in transparency. Transparency in Bitcoin works because everyone who uses Bitcoin has a copy of the full blockchain. This makes the rate at which trades can take place relatively slow, but also gives protection against people gaming the system (it is possible to game the system, but it's hard for most to do so).

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#13
post #4

What I don't understand about the Blockchain hype (and I say that as a fan of Bitcoin): isn't the primary problem it solves the avoidance of double spending? Or in the case of Ethereum, perhaps double contracts. But still, the issue seems a bit overblown to me: to double spend (or present fake contracts, or more generally, fake data), you somehow have to isolate the victims network before injecting the fake transacti…

As I understand it, the advantage of any blockchain (Bitcoin's or another's) is a shared (among participants) causal ordering of events (which is legitimized via the avoidance of double-spending, the "chain" aspect of it, and a few other properties). All the potential falls out of that: proof-of-existence, signed transactions, digital currency, etc.

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#14
post #8

Companies are simply a tool that helps a group of people to make a profit. If you remove the group of people then what would be the point?

Not-for-profit companies shouldn't exist then?

Most nonprofits are still profitable for the staff. Sometimes immensely profitable, for the CEOs at least.

However, most companies provide value to customers. This article proposes companies that do so without any staff or owners. I don't think that's very realistic, but it is intriguing.

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#15
post #8

Companies are simply a tool that helps a group of people to make a profit. If you remove the group of people then what would be the point?

In some contexts we have nearly removed all the people in this equation already. 85 people own as much as about half the world's population [1]. So, capitalism in the form we have it today, which includes companies, are simply a way to concentrate wealth among the few. Some of these few use the money IMO vicely, but a more equitable system would probably work better. I say this after having lived and worked in the US and the UK (less equal) compared to Sweden and Netherlands (more equal).

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-ric...

Edit: clearer argument

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#16
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not-for-profit companies shouldn't exist then?

Most nonprofits are still profitable for the staff. Sometimes immensely profitable, for the CEOs at least. However, most companies provide value to customers. This article proposes companies that do so without any staff or owners. I don't think that's very realistic, but it is intriguing.

A non-profit which isn't profitable for the staff, i.e. pays salary, isn't going to be around for long, if it isn't primarily volunteer work and then the money to operate is subsidised through other means. Which is ok, but not sustainable in many contexts. (Attacking non-profits CEOs feels like a straw man in this context, and doesn't really add anything.)

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#17
It should be noted that ethereum does not scale any better than Bitcoin, which is to say not much at all. Unlike a lot of people in the crypto currency scene Vitalik acknowledges this and is working on upgrades to fix this. He is a very, very smart guy but this would require solving extremely difficult technical and economic problems.

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#18
post #8

Companies are simply a tool that helps a group of people to make a profit. If you remove the group of people then what would be the point?

In some contexts we have nearly removed all the people in this equation already. 85 people own as much as about half the world's population [1]. So, capitalism in the form we have it today, which includes companies, are simply a way to concentrate wealth among the few. Some of these few use the money IMO vicely, but a more equitable system would probably work better. I say this after having lived and worked in the US…

Well, Norway, a country with a population of the size of Colorado, also has more money than half of the world. Does the fact that their society is more equal in itself actually help with the problem you're describe regard worldwide inequality? I don't see the mechanism.

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#19
post #8

Companies are simply a tool that helps a group of people to make a profit. If you remove the group of people then what would be the point?

In some contexts we have nearly removed all the people in this equation already. 85 people own as much as about half the world's population [1]. So, capitalism in the form we have it today, which includes companies, are simply a way to concentrate wealth among the few. Some of these few use the money IMO vicely, but a more equitable system would probably work better. I say this after having lived and worked in the US…

You seem to be using a definition of equality that you haven't fully explained. Do you mean more equal in terms of ownership? If so, how is that valuable?

Re: Humans Who Dream Of Companies That Won't Need Us

#20
post #4

What I don't understand about the Blockchain hype (and I say that as a fan of Bitcoin): isn't the primary problem it solves the avoidance of double spending? Or in the case of Ethereum, perhaps double contracts. But still, the issue seems a bit overblown to me: to double spend (or present fake contracts, or more generally, fake data), you somehow have to isolate the victims network before injecting the fake transacti…

Legally, creating a company without humans is impossible, but in practice, well:

Registering Planet Money's Delaware company took one day and three emails. The company that set it up for us asked for absolutely no documentation. I gave them my real name, but I could have been anybody from anywhere in the world.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/27/157421340/how-t...

Of course, opening a bank account to receive the income of those rides would be a different story.

Post reply on HN