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Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

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post #35

"wogrammer"? Really? If there's one thing I don't need (as a woman in tech) it's segregation further from your regular joe programmer. Show me what other women are achieving - FANTASTIC - but quit with the bloody ridiculous nicknames. (Don't even get me started on "mumpreneurs"!)

joegrammer sounds awesome!

Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

#62
post #14

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As much as I dislike positive discrimination, I view it as a necessary evil. In the specific case of women in CS/CE, I think it's fair to say that the lack of women is rather troubling, and has roots in prejudice. So yeah, who knows. Maybe recognizing the success of women in this field might help restore some balance and one day make this positive discrimination unecessary. Then we won't need any special terms and al…

I call it BS. Women are mostly emotion based creatures. They are simply interested in other areas than men. They love the experience and the emotion from things..hence why they want to be translators, teachers and they study other kind of stuff we consider mostly useless. It's like saying NBA is occupied mostly by tall people and that's troubling because short people are in disadvantage. We should try to stimulate th…

>Women are mostly emotion based creatures.

The vast majority of people are emotion based creatures. Logic tends to be used after the fact to justify their emotional stance. Women are socially more allowed to express their emotions, and thus the stereotype that they are more based on emotions arises, but while men express their emotions less due to social pressures, I've seen no evidence they are ruled by their emotions less.

Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

#63
post #20

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Does the same discrimination exist in nursing to restore the balance? Does it exist in child care services? In education? Edit: for the clown who accused me of "fallacy of relative privation" - can you explain how my comparison is "completely unrelated to the subject at hand" ? One industry is constantly under scrutiny for its gender imbalance, everyone is summoned to take action and we justify discrimination for the…

Your logical fallacy is: The Fallacy of relative privation, aka "whataboutery" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism > Edit: for the clown who accused me of "fallacy of relative privation edit : sorry, no. It's easy to work out, but as a matter of policy I don't enter into serious debates with people who casually throw around words like "clown". I find…

Whataboutism is a fallacy when being used to dismiss the argument entirely. It is not a fallacy when used to state that the reason other problems are dismissed should also apply here.

The difference is:

Fallacy: "What about Y. X isn't a big deal as long as Y is an issue."

Not Fallacy: "What about Y. Y isn't a big deal because A, B, and C. A, B, and C also apply to X, so shouldn't that mean X isn't an issue as well."

The problem comes in that the second sentence in each scenario is left shortened if not completely left out, making it hard to tell which version of 'What about' a person is using.

Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

#64
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I dislike positive discrimination, I view it as a necessary evil. In the specific case of women in CS/CE, I think it's fair to say that the lack of women is rather troubling, and has roots in prejudice. So yeah, who knows. Maybe recognizing the success of women in this field might help restore some balance and one day make this positive discrimination unecessary. Then we won't need any special terms and al…

I call it BS. Women are mostly emotion based creatures. They are simply interested in other areas than men. They love the experience and the emotion from things..hence why they want to be translators, teachers and they study other kind of stuff we consider mostly useless. It's like saying NBA is occupied mostly by tall people and that's troubling because short people are in disadvantage. We should try to stimulate th…

What the fuck, dude.

Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

#65
post #48

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>why not direct your anger toward the employers who refuse to hire women, or pay them less, or ignore sexual harassment Do you have any data, which controls for the appropriate variables, to support that?

The fact that you're questioning whether or not sexism is really a thing is quite a big part of the problem. Trying talking to people. I find that pretty much every woman in the tech industry who I've spoken to has at least one example of how they feel they've been discriminated against at some point.

>The fact that you're questioning whether or not sexism is really a thing is quite a big part of the problem.

I take that to mean you don't have those facts? Because it would be easier and more trustworthy to simply put them on the table than berate the gp for posting a reasonable question.

Re: Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering

#66
post #20

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Does the same discrimination exist in nursing to restore the balance? Does it exist in child care services? In education? Edit: for the clown who accused me of "fallacy of relative privation" - can you explain how my comparison is "completely unrelated to the subject at hand" ? One industry is constantly under scrutiny for its gender imbalance, everyone is summoned to take action and we justify discrimination for the…

Your logical fallacy is: The Fallacy of relative privation, aka "whataboutery" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism > Edit: for the clown who accused me of "fallacy of relative privation edit : sorry, no. It's easy to work out, but as a matter of policy I don't enter into serious debates with people who casually throw around words like "clown". I find…

> Your logical fallacy is:

Please don't do this on HN. Stock snide responses, like this one or LMGTFY, are a way of insulting someone while ostensibly answering them. That violates the HN call for civility.

> sorry, no. It's easy to work out, but as a matter of policy I don't enter into serious debates with people who

Obviously dudul was wrong to call you names, but these comments were worse. Subtle insults do more damage to the discourse than crude ones do. Please reply respectfully.

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