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IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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I can only imagine the precious 5 seconds of thought given to the decision to respond to Ars by the IMAX Chief Admin Officer: "Hmm, we know we have nothing to stand on here, but if we politely ask Ars to remove references to IMAX and they do, matter ends there. If Ars doesn't comply, we just lost 5 minutes of drafting this pointless letter. Nothing really to lose." Hits send. The irony? IMAX is now paying the real co…

I was wondering, if a legal trick can be used to limit these C&D letters that have no merit. Effectively, the lawyer on the other side of the letter is making a legal claim, that the law says what you are doing is wrong. If that claim is clearly baseless, then shouldn't the their lawyer be held on malpractice charges? After all, they are licensed and certified experts, and have a duty to not mislead the public.

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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post #85

I can only imagine the precious 5 seconds of thought given to the decision to respond to Ars by the IMAX Chief Admin Officer: "Hmm, we know we have nothing to stand on here, but if we politely ask Ars to remove references to IMAX and they do, matter ends there. If Ars doesn't comply, we just lost 5 minutes of drafting this pointless letter. Nothing really to lose." Hits send. The irony? IMAX is now paying the real co…

Or perhaps it was intentional? They got an article on ARS, mentioning their brand 26 times...

All publicity is good publicity, right?

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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It's worth noting IMAX does in fact have a trademark in the relevant fields -

": Consumer electronic products, namely, headphones, earphones, cables, camcorders, DVD players and stereos; home theater systems comprised of a projector system, a surround sound system, a screen, media servers and control devices; and gaming equipment, namely, video game machines for use with televisions and computers; video game controllers; computer software for playing video games and for accessing and browsing global computer and communications networks; video game programs downloadable from global computer networks and global communications networks; and user manuals for all of the aforementioned software and devices sold as a unit therewith; devices used to facilitate interactive game play over computer networks; television and video converters; speakers, loudspeakers systems"

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:77u...

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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IMAX demands are ridiculous, but Ars's claim that IMAX is merely used as an example of "something awesome" is dubious when high quality VR happens to provide a substitute for going to an IMAX theater. This is why IMAX is annoyed: they understand that VR is a huge threat to their business. The reason watching a movie on a very large screen is better than watching it up-close on a small screen is that in the case of th…

This just makes IMAX's case that consumer confusion is possible.

It's ironic that in an article documenting attempted censorship, I have to squint to read this legitimate comment because people think that disagreeing with someone gives them the right to censor them.

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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I went to an IMAX™®℠℗(U.S. Patent 3,494,524) theatre once. Having to recline and look up at the screen was annoying, and the size was gratuitous with most of it wasted to peripheral vision. That's definitely not something I'd want in my living room.

> Having to recline and look up at the screen was annoying, and the size was gratuitous with most of it wasted to peripheral vision.

The first feature is a function of sitting to close to the screen, and isn't specific to IMAX format. The second is by design -- a major point of large-format cinema screens like IMAX is to provide a more immersive experience by making it so that, in shots where there is a strong central focus, even the non-focal parts of your vision field are occupied by the movie screen rather than (usually, just black) background from the theater, and, second, enabling shots that are composed so as to invite audience members to not just focus near center, but to look around the screen (this second feature isn't taken advantage of in films not designed for large-format screens, but major films now generally are made in a large-format aware manner.)

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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Paraphrasing from one of the comments there: IMAX's legal counsel failed to see the big picture.

No, no... IMAX are developing a competing VR system and only want to drive people to adopt VR too early, so they can swoop in and grab the already cultivated market with their product, of course.

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it means really big movie screen It used to mean that, not any more. IMAX screens are allowed to be much, much smaller than before.

Case in point: I went to see Jurassic World the other day, and paid extra for IMAX, imagining the building-sized screens I associate with their brand. Nope. It was smaller than the unbranded "Monster Screen" at my local theater in the middle of nowhere. IMAX no longer really means anything to me.

Depending on the cinema you were at, you may have paid extra to see the 70mm print, instead of the 35mm cut.

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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post #85

I can only imagine the precious 5 seconds of thought given to the decision to respond to Ars by the IMAX Chief Admin Officer: "Hmm, we know we have nothing to stand on here, but if we politely ask Ars to remove references to IMAX and they do, matter ends there. If Ars doesn't comply, we just lost 5 minutes of drafting this pointless letter. Nothing really to lose." Hits send. The irony? IMAX is now paying the real co…

I completely agree - but i think there is another dynamic at work here:

Companies can loose their trademark if the term becomes generic, and one way to defend against that in court is to show a history of defending the mark (I'm not lawyer but that's my simplistic explanation) this is a great article explaining the phenomena around derby pie

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/01/399842082/wha...

My bet is that they are weighing the lesser of two evils (to them) loose their trademark or look like a fool in the press for a few days...

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of your examples lead to consumer confusion. No one is confusing a head-mounted VR display with a 35 foot movie screen. Believing that a VR solution could be certified/licensed by IMAX is not consumer confusion, that's accurate belief. IMAX could certify a VR solution as "The IMAX Experience" if they wanted to. But hell, Harley-Davidson could certify a VR solution as "The Open Road Experience" [1], too. Still…

IMAX isn't a 35 foot movie screen. The value of the IMAX trademark is that it's a set of standards for image projection, which is how it's being used in the quote. As if the product, which is concerned with image projection, is up to those standards. Harley-Davidson, to my knowledge, isn't involved in image projection standards. Say a lamp which isn't UL certified had a quote "It's like having a UL certified lamp in…

> The value of the IMAX trademark is that it's a set of standards for image projection, which is how it's being used in the quote

What article did you read? The quote most certainly did not refer to IMAX as a "set of standards for image projection". Here's the quote again:

> "The jump up in tech between playing a normal video game and playing with Kinect was X. The jump between a regular game and playing a room scale VR experience is X times 100. It’s like saying, 'I have an IMAX theater in my house.' It’s so much better that we can get away with a cumbersome setup."

There's nothing here about standards for image projection. The quote doesn't even compare the visual quality of SteamVR to IMAX. It says the jump in experience from a regular game to "room scale VR" is like the jump of putting an IMAX theater in your house. The quote is specifically about the huge improvement in the experience. You can tell because he literally referred to the "experience".

And none of this matters, because even if he had actually been saying that SteamVR looks like an IMAX screen, that would still not create consumer confusion. Comparing products' quality is a reasonable thing and we do it all the time without creating confusion. Someone reviewing a Samsung LCD could say that it looks as good as their Panasonic plasma, and this is a reasonable and probably useful comparison to make. It wouldn't confuse any reasonable person into believing that Panasonic was manufacturing, certifying, or licensing Samsung displays (or vice versa).

> Say a lamp which isn't UL certified had a quote "It's like having a UL certified lamp in your house!" Would that seem ok? Or maybe questionable?

It seems like a stupid thing to say because the statement doesn't make a lot of sense. Saying "It's like having a UL certified lamp in your house!" is kind of like saying "It's like having a car that won't kill you in a crash!" It reads like sarcasm. No one would make this comparison in a serious way.

But no, I don't think it creates any kind of consumer confusion.

Re: IMAX’s absurd attempt to censor Ars

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for any of those claims?

First guess was that this was yet another whiny, obtuse reference to something related to the Gamergate persecution complex that grew out of people for SOME REASON objecting to violent threats and doxxing, google search didn't disappoint: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/gamergate-critic-pos... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/03/that-life-is-over-zoe-...

I assumed it was either that or, given his username, all of the trolls whining about Reddit declining to give them a completely unrestricted forum for abuse:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/reddit-announces-sit...

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