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Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by __z »

diet_poop wrote: post #165
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

It is _really_ important to bookend a fast with healthy food. Lots of fresh fruits and vegetables the days leading up to and following a fast will leave you feeling a ton better. And for those pursuing longer fasts: day 3 is when most people turn a corner and the hunger is no longer horrible. I haven't gone that far, but am planning on it soon. And I've been told there are some remarkable physiological and psychologi…

I have a lot of experience fasting. All the stuff that you mention is complete BS. Theres always hunger and no hyper-alert focused BS.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by _pius »

windlep wrote: post #179
hathawsh wrote: post #19

The authors disclosed they have equity in a company called L-Nutra, which intends to sell diet food packs: http://www.l-nutra.com/index.php/products/prolon Nothing for sale yet, but hopefully the price will be competitive with do-it-yourselfers. I am cautiously optimistic about this direction.

I'd love to see this study replicated, only instead of "proprietary (expensive?) product", it was just 40% of your daily caloric intake.... in soylent. There's been multiple studies I've seen now indicating that fasting does this, the questions I want to know are: 1. How much of a caloric intake drop is required? 2. How much does it matter what specific types of calories are used for the lower-calorie period? (ie, 50…

I'd love to see this study replicated, only instead of "proprietary (expensive?) product", it was just 40% of your daily caloric intake.... in soylent.

Why? Soylent's just another proprietary product.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by windlep »

_pius wrote: post #182
windlep wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to see this study replicated, only instead of "proprietary (expensive?) product", it was just 40% of your daily caloric intake.... in soylent. There's been multiple studies I've seen now indicating that fasting does this, the questions I want to know are: 1. How much of a caloric intake drop is required? 2. How much does it matter what specific types of calories are used for the lower-calorie period? (ie, 50…

I'd love to see this study replicated, only instead of "proprietary (expensive?) product", it was just 40% of your daily caloric intake.... in soylent. Why? Soylent's just another proprietary product.

Soylent open-sourced their recipe afaik, that was part of the whole appeal for many, they could replicate the entire formula and tweak as desired. There's other food-replacements as well, like ensure, which I cited.

Edit: Soylent has an entire forum of various varients of their recipe: https://diy.soylent.com/recipes

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by CuriouslyC »

cgh wrote: post #122
heimatau wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think clearing out your bowels would be considered de-toxifying. As, much of that stuff just stays inside your intestines unless you do some kind of colon cleanse (men should do this with their doctor at 40-50; depending on how much red meat they eat). Also, with fat being burned and toxins are mostly stored in the fat, I have a difficult time understanding how losing fat isn't detoxing. I meant to say it's painful…

Detoxification is a myth: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-my... There is no science behind it. There is also no science behind extended fasting, giving your body a "break" from digesting and so forth. By all means fast if you feel like it and you believe there is some health benefit - you are harming no one, after all - but please don't try to justify it with medical science.

Actually, not eating for an extended period does have one very significant effect. It radically changes the makeup of your microbiome. I suspect that people who experience health benefits from "detoxes" typically suffer from dysbiosis, and by restricting food supply they essentially hit the "reset" button on their gut bacterial populations.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by CuriouslyC »

voidlogic wrote: post #88
throwaway12309 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok, since this is posted here every freaking time there is an article about dieting in HN, let me stress this out: A Ketogenic diet (per the actual medical definition and not from fitness gurus) is not low carb, adequate protein and high fat. it is high fat, little to no carbs and low protein. From medical recommendations, calories from fat should be in the 85-90% range. Most of the articles you read about the benefi…

>Also, protein as a nutrient creates a similar insulin response as carbs. If you look at graphs comparing them you will see protein is greatly blunted compared to carbs. The body being in ketosis is primarily medicated by the availability of liver glycogen, temporarily insulin spikes will at worst only pause ketosis. Protein can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis, but (compared to felines) the human body can…

Actually, it depends on the protein. In particular, proteins rich in the amino acid Leucine (such as whey) are actually more insulinogenic calorie for calorie than white bread.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by CuriouslyC »

voidlogic wrote: post #57

Previously it has been found that eating a ketogenic diet ( I lost 40 lbs on keto eating mostly (by volume) non-carby veggies and mostly (by calories) fat, along with 80-120g of protein per day. I'd really like to see their complex diet tested against a well formulated ketogenic diet.

Actually, research has demonstrated that the lifespan extension benefits of calorie restriction can be obtained by consuming a diet low in sulfur-containing amino acids, particularly methionine (not sure about the other benefits). Have a look at http://www.benbest.com/calories/Meth.html for more information.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by themartorana »

ams6110 wrote: post #145
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

I recently did a 3-day fast. It wasn't too bad. I fact I thought I would be ravenously hungry at the end of the 72 hours but I just ate a normal meal and it was fine. I can't say I felt any better after the fast. I had lost a few pounds but nothing else noticable. One problem that people might have with fasting and then wanting to binge is that the starchy, sugary diet that the USDA and FDA have been promoting as "he…

If stupid food scientists would make stupid kale taste as good as yummy chocolate cake I would eat more of it.

Seriously though, despite the obvious health benefits, sometimes I can't get the good stuff to be nearly as satisfying as the bad stuff. I wish sugar wasn't so damn addictive.

Food is the issue I'm most embarrassed about. I'm not obese, but I'm not svelte either. Self-control is easy right up until the second it isn't, and everything else in this world seems easy to control against my daily fight with food.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by dschiptsov »

Each and every Eastern religion emphasised fasting - Hindu and Muslims and Buddhists know the benefits of it.

Basically it means less burden, less load to the system (we are a system) and, as a by-product, the exercise of self-control, which is the key to personal success (delayed gratification and related concepts).

Thinking about tribal eating habits, one could realize that there is no single "right" diet, but a pepper set of habits of moderate austerity in consumption and sticking to simple, unprocessed, traditional (evolved according with local food sources) dishes.

To put it simply - conditioned by media overconsumption of processed junk food is the cause of suffering and a major contribution to ageing.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by tracker1 »

Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

I tend to get that to a smaller degree if I don't eat something mid-afternoon... even an apple, or 1/4 cup of nuts is enough to notice a difference in what/how much I eat at dinner.

I tend to be pretty sated after lunch, and will usually continue working until well after 6pm, when I start to get hungry again... I pretty much have to force myself to have something around 2 or 3pm, and it cuts the cravings way down.

I also notice that when I watch TV in the evenings (even without commercials), I tend to eat a bit more, and randomly.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by brown-dragon »

Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

I have always heard that skipping breakfast is bad while eating a small dinner is good[1]. Isn't this diet doing the exact opposite?

[1]: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.abstract?sid=6...

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