Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

news.ycombinator.com

21–30 of 53 posts

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#21

From a startup company's perspective (hiring a web developer): - Any effort you make to show interest in the company goes a long way. Use the software, come prepared to talk about what you did/didn't like, and have questions for me. Are you interested in working here? Then you should be full of questions! - Have a personal home page. Doesn't have to be flashy, but it should suit its purpose. An appealing website is n…

I do lots of hiring for technical positions (marketing and other business-y tasks) but I couldn't agree more with these two points, and I think they are relevant no matter what job you are applying for. They really make a HUGE difference in whether or not I pay attention enough to remember you, which in turn is probably the biggest factor in how likely I am to hire you.

- Any effort you make to show interest in the company goes a long way. Use the software, come prepared to talk about what you did/didn't like, and have questions for me. Are you interested in working here? Then you should be full of questions!

- Work on cool stuff. This is the #1 differentiator (and it's all about differentiation). If you have 3 links to something really neat you worked on in the last 3 years, that places you well above most other candidates -- it shows that you love what you do.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#22
in all my experience in hiring at my company, the one thing i find that 99% of applicants fail to understand is that a company is hiring a person to fit a certain need that is being unmet. therefore, listing a long resume full of all the impressive things you have done, but are completely irrelevant to the position being offered, is a waste of space and time and will increase your chances of being overlooked. you really need to think about catering your resume to the job and leave as much else as you can as a footnote.

if you do manage to get to the interview process, ask about the job you are being interviewed for so you can get a better understanding. a job interview is a conversation, so it goes both ways. try to find out why they are looking for a new employee. for example, they may be looking for a system administrator to do sysadmin tasks, but if you ask further, they might tell you that they are in the process of trying to scale their systems, at which point you can talk about your past experience or what ways your might go about developing a scalable architecture. make yourself relevant.

all too often, candidates just come in and sit quietly, waiting for the interviewer to ask them question after question, trying to pull information out of them and then it simply becomes checklist of questions to tick off (while looking at your watch) before thanking the interviewee and showing them the way out.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#23

Hi Yang, I would recommend putting some personal pics of you and your friend’s mountain biking on your webpage. It will make you come across a little different than the other candidates. Also, the page looks very 1998-notepad-hand-coded html. Not the best calling card for a computer geek dude. Go get some Dreamweaver time somewhere and make a nice layout. Focus on an eye pleasing font and page color. If you are not l…

Also, the page looks very 1998-notepad-hand-coded html. Not the best calling card for a computer geek dude. Go get some Dreamweaver time somewhere and make a nice layout.

Sorry for being a bit off-topic there, but I'd like to comment on that bit. 1998-style code would be a non-semantic mess of tables and other elements thrown in just for a visual effect. Code of yangman.ca however is very clean and semantic. I wish all those zillions of web agencies and "professionals" who are stuck in last century would be able to write code as good as this. Getting DW won't help a bit there. Adding some niceties via CSS may.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#24
I wonder if you are asking the correct question. Your frustration from the process seems to stem from not having received an offer yet. Would you not rather ask the question, what can applicants do to obtain an offer from prospective employers every time? You might want to keep the discussion focussed by providing a link to your stack overflow profile.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#25
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If given a programming problem, don't stand/sit quietly while you work out the solution. Give the interviewer some insight to your thought processes. I think most of us are much more naturally going to sit and quietly do our work, as we have done all our lives, unless you're asking us to talk you through what we're doing.

+1 for that. I'm not in the habit of shouting out what's going through my mind as I'm working.

But this isn't work, and the answer isn't a program.

This is an interview, your "customer" is the interviewee, and the answer you are trying to impress on your "customer" is that you are smart, articulate, personable, etc. Even more important, can the candidate look at an obvious question (the quiz) and see the underlying real question (is this candidate outstanding?).

All the things that don't come through on a paper-and-ink resume.

P.S. I've worked with lots of engineers that answer the question that is asked, but never think about what is underlying the question - sometimes the question is wrong. That is the difference between "smart, and gets things done" http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html and "done, and gets things smart" http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/06/done-and-gets-things... (a GREAT rant).

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#26
I don't think there's much in the way of guidelines or advice that would apply to all employers. Although you're probably focused on just getting a job (and understandably frustrated with that at this point), some employers just won't be a good match for you. So, adopt some of the methods that seem like they'd work with the kind of employers that you'd want to work for.

As for me: I hired recently for an open-ended contract position through Craigslist. The pay was pretty good, given the area I'm in. However, the vast majority of the applicants couldn't be bothered to tell me anything about themselves. Most of the responses were along the lines of, "Here's my resume". That was it, nothing else, and the resume just included their work history.

I'd like to know a little bit about the person applying. Just a paragraph would be fine. Don't limit it to your work experience; your hobbies and how you spend your free time tells me a lot about you.

Good luck. It's ugly out there right now.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#27
Take initiative. I hire UX people. I give them little assignments. One of them did some user research with her friends before doing the assignment -> hired! Come with a critique of our existing website, and we'll take you very seriously. Any kind of initiative beyond the standard boring stuff is much approeciated, means you care and are someone who gets things done without us having to ask for it.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#29

Also, please accept that people don't read your resume, they've probably skimmed it and don't necessarily remember which resume you were. You are the one that should do the homework.

Exactly. I probably read it in 10 minutes 2 weeks ago when I gave recruiting the nod to bring you in. After that, if I looked at it for another 10 minutes in the morning before your interview, consider yourself flattered/lucky.

The fact that I walk into the interview room knowing less about your resume than you do is your problem/opportunity, not mine.

Re: Ask HN: As an employer, what do you wish applicants did more often?

#30
When I hire, I'm not looking for a person or a resource. I'm looking for a solution to my problem. Sometimes that problem is big, sometimes it's urgent. But there's always a problem needing to be solved. The more a candidate looks like a solution to my problem, the closer to the front of the pile he/she gets.

AFAIC, the most important thing for any candidate to do is to identify my problem(s) and present themselves as the solution. The problem could be:

- We just got a bunch of new business and need someone to do immediately to satisfy those customers.

- We just acquired another business and need to convert/integrate from technology to technology and need someone who knows both technologies (or either one) and has done that before.

- We have a new business problem and one possible solution is to build/enhance/maintain an app. Can you do that? Have you done that?

- We plan to grow x% over the next 24 months and we need people to do more of what we already do which is . Can you do that? Have you done that?

- We have a problem and frankly, we're not sure what to do. What would you suggest? Can you do that? Have you done that before?

You kinda get the picture. The tricky part for any candidate is the research. How do you find out what my problems are? Ask! Ask me. Ask someone else in the company. Ask anyone. The simple act of research shows that you're a serious candidate. The follow up with a solution to my problem puts you at the top of my list.

If you're right out of school or don't have a lot of experience, you should still do this. You may not have as long a resume as others, but you have every bit as much to offer to solve my problems. Maybe a smart person who works hard and knows how to deliver is just what I need. You must find that out and present yourself as such. Remember, it's about my problem, not yours.

This was I great question to ask here at hn. I've never seen it before. The fact that you thought enough to ask is a huge first step. It shows that you're thinking about me, not just yourself. Keep thinking like that and there's no telling how far you'll get. Thank you and good luck.

Post reply on HN