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Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by __z »

heimatau wrote: post #40
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

The first three days of 24 hour day fasts are (:edited:) mostly painful. Headaches, migraines, agitation, etc. They are not fun nor for the faint of heart. I'd suggest a five day, if you body can allow it. Days four through ten can be the most rewarding. This is all based on personal experience/opinion.

Detoxing from what? Personally, my liver and kidneys pretty well no matter what I am eating (or not).

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by diogenescynic »

heimatau wrote: post #40
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

The first three days of 24 hour day fasts are (:edited:) mostly painful. Headaches, migraines, agitation, etc. They are not fun nor for the faint of heart. I'd suggest a five day, if you body can allow it. Days four through ten can be the most rewarding. This is all based on personal experience/opinion.

>pure detox. Headaches, migraines, agitation, etc.

Detox is a pseudo-science word anymore. Is that detox or just your blood sugar level going down?

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by exelius »

stevebmark wrote: post #29

Ketosis also "mimics fastings", the main metabolic difference being nutritional ketosis is 0.5 - 3 mmol/L, while fasting is 3 - 5 mmol/L (betahydroxybuterate in the serum). The benefits of ketosis may also add longevity, possibly with similar mechanisms to fasting. It's likely intermittent fasting put the subjects of the study into mild ketosis. Bottom line: Ketosis may have benefits similar to fasting in terms of ag…

Can confirm, keto diets burn weight like a motherfucker. They're also reasonably easy to maintain, since it's pretty easy to order a cheeseburger without a bun and eat it with a knife and fork. Also, bacon and avocado are a delicious combination, and keto says they are ok. I dropped 40 lbs in under 6 months on a keto diet, and built muscle while doing it.

But I had to stop the keto diet because it makes me stupid when I'm on it. I'm not talking the "keto fog" that you experience for a few days when your body is adjusting; operating in extended ketosis for me correlated with a marked decline in mental capacity. I went from being a rockstar knowledge worker to someone who couldn't do simple arithmetic. And my mental faculties would return within an hour if I ate a bagel.

Ketones (what your body burns for energy when there are no sugars available) don't penetrate to the brain, so your body produces sugars from protein through gluconeogenesis, but it wasn't really enough to keep me functioning at 100%. Also, you don't want to be frequently transitioning in/out of ketosis; it gives you horrible headaches.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by lsniddy »

kristopolous wrote: post #41
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

I believe there's some consensus that eating closer to the time you wake is more advisable then closer to the time you sleep - all other things being equal.

check out the warrior diet, similar to an ironman sleep cycle in its extremity. One massive meal a day at night.

http://www.warriordiet.com/

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by mod »

kristopolous wrote: post #41
Rainymood wrote: post #38

I currently intermittent fast by skipping breakfast + lunch, partially because I'm lazy, partially because it allows me to easily eat 'all my calories' in the end of the day. I really like this as it provides a 'buffer' for unexpected food, such as random cake, or random lunches with colleagues etc. Has anyone here actually ever TRIED fasting a full 24h day? I have. I HATED it. Well, the fasting itself wasn't that ba…

I believe there's some consensus that eating closer to the time you wake is more advisable then closer to the time you sleep - all other things being equal.

More advisable for what intended result?

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by jhartmann »

tosseraccount wrote: post #32
reasonattlm wrote: post #27

There is much more background info on Longo and his work on intermittent fasting if you go digging. More interesting than this particular piece, which is very short on context and science relating to the study of intermittent fasting, calorie restriction as adjuvant cancer therapy, immune regeneration via fasting, etc. http://gero.usc.edu/faculty/longo/ http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-06/uosc-fts06021...…

Can you tl;dr , please. Does adjuvant therapy in the form of fasting affect survival in clinical trials in cancer patients? Is this proven and accepted?

There was a paper published last year by this group where they did a study of Cancer patients (and a bigger study in mice) receiving a particular kind of Chemo, and their immune systems post therapy were basically 'rebooted'. The protocol in that work was a periodic 2 day water fast in 6 cycles timed with the Chemotherapy adminstration. They then did a very small pilot study and saw the reversal of immunosenescence in people who did the cyclic fasting without Chemotherapy. It was a reasonable effect, but the human studies were smallish and probably could use more reproduction.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by voidlogic »

Previously it has been found that eating a ketogenic diet (I lost 40 lbs on keto eating mostly (by volume) non-carby veggies and mostly (by calories) fat, along with 80-120g of protein per day. I'd really like to see their complex diet tested against a well formulated ketogenic diet.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by lsniddy »

__z wrote: post #51
heimatau wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first three days of 24 hour day fasts are (:edited:) mostly painful. Headaches, migraines, agitation, etc. They are not fun nor for the faint of heart. I'd suggest a five day, if you body can allow it. Days four through ten can be the most rewarding. This is all based on personal experience/opinion.

Detoxing from what? Personally, my liver and kidneys pretty well no matter what I am eating (or not).

I believe the idea is toxins do tend to get stored in fat, so when you are running on stored fat - you can release them. I can confirm you can have sudden ups and downs when fasting and I never experienced headaches until i started.

Re: Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging

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Post by novaleaf »

ams6110 wrote: post #50

Anecdotally, when I was a kid I had goldfish at one point. I noticed that if they were fed daily they didn't live very long. If they were fed once or twice a week they seemed to live forever.

i too remember that, but for some kind of tropical almost-transparent freshwater fish. Their lifespan was supposed to be about 2 years, but we fed it once a week and it lived perhaps 7 years, until it jumped out of a bowl and suffocated while we were cleaning it's tank!
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