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Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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Re: Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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I never said that Europe would be "Islamified", although Europe is projected to be 8% Muslim by 2030[0], and not all immigration is from Islamic countries. For reference, Israel is 21% Muslim[1]. If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. I don't see how your argument about geography works. Not everyone in a neighboring country is…

>> If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. This.

"Big effect on suburb" does not become "Influence on European Culture". If these immigrants have their own culture, just by living it, they don't necessarily constitute an influence. Just like there being Millions of French in France doesn't necessarily influence German cultures...

Re: Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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IMO a culture is not just a set of protocols or rules written down by some chronist/sociologist. To me culture is more about how people live in a certain place, their routines, their customs. Again, I'm not particularly talking about Muslim population, but since you continue with them, I will do the same :) (I guess it's an easy example since they are really a big community all around EU) Now take any East London bor…

My statement was that "Islam" has virtually no influence on Europe culture. First of all, that doesn't include everything a Muslim does, for me, Islam is a religion with values and rules. The mere existence of Muslims following their own cultures in Europe does not constitute an influence in its own. Not even when they interact with other Europeans. Influence on European Culture would mean that Europeans change to ad…

It seems to me that you have not read my answer at all...You don't address any of my points/questions either.

Also, I do not estimate any trend, so technically I can't overestimate...

Re: Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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post #42

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My statement was that "Islam" has virtually no influence on Europe culture. First of all, that doesn't include everything a Muslim does, for me, Islam is a religion with values and rules. The mere existence of Muslims following their own cultures in Europe does not constitute an influence in its own. Not even when they interact with other Europeans. Influence on European Culture would mean that Europeans change to ad…

It seems to me that you have not read my answer at all...You don't address any of my points/questions either. Also, I do not estimate any trend, so technically I can't overestimate ...

because you didn't consider my statement. Specifically "Islam" instead of "individual Muslim" and "on European Culture", not that Muslims exist in Europe.

Re: Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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Maybe it's something you should think about that the first attack you can think of is an ad hominem one? I am not bemoaning having a minority opinion, rather the inevitable personal attacks that follow, yours being a benign but still pertinent example. And I'm not an immigration critic: I am totally in support of allowing immigration to the people who help the country. And, before you assume, that doesn't mean they h…

If you believe you have a right to throw Muslims out of Europe, which is the only way to stop increasing Muslim populations in Europe (short of genocide), then that is only possible by believing in racist assumptions (often disguised by calling them "facts"). Under democratic values, everyone is the same before the law. Therefore there have to be serious reasons to prosecute, hunt down, imprison and deport someone (a…

So your logic is: if you say something negative about group X, then you must want to throw them out of your country, therefore you want to hunt them down, therefore you are are anti-democratic. Therefore there cannot be anything negative to say about group X.

Re: Journey: A refugee's odyssey from Syria to Sweden

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post #24

Wow... as a swede, this was a bit surreal to read. Wonderful piece, what a story.

Is Sweden really unconditionally giving asylum to everyone who is from syria?

This will explain things for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_QrIapiNOw
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