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Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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My gut reaction is that I'll be paying money to install my telescreen? I have this slightly panicky feeling that my perception of what's acceptable sharing of private data is so disconnected from current popular sentiment that I'm becoming a bitter outsider. I'm sure it's technically well executed as expected from Google management but I do hope it bombs as a product for (to me) obvious reasons.

A side effect if you're going to use a video recording device as a baby monitor is that you then need to make sure that your children are clothed at all times while in its field of view.

Otherwise you're committing a very serious offence, especially if you're uploading those images to the internet.

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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post #4

My gut reaction is that I'll be paying money to install my telescreen? I have this slightly panicky feeling that my perception of what's acceptable sharing of private data is so disconnected from current popular sentiment that I'm becoming a bitter outsider. I'm sure it's technically well executed as expected from Google management but I do hope it bombs as a product for (to me) obvious reasons.

I had the same first reaction but would you have an objection if you only turned it on when nobody was home (purely to record intrusions)?

I object.

I object because turning it on and off by hand would be a real drag, so pretty soon it would be on all the time. I object because I have cats, so motion-based recording will get a lot of cat videos.

I don't want to leave a statistical record of when I am likely to be out of my home. I don't want to have video and sound recordings of my home in a subpoenable format. I don't want Google to record my kids running around the living room naked -- instant child pornography charges. I don't want recordings of consenting adults having sex in the living room late at night. I don't want recordings of people having conversations that they didn't think were being recorded. I don't want my friends to stop visiting.

I don't want my home invaded by Google.

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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post #4

My gut reaction is that I'll be paying money to install my telescreen? I have this slightly panicky feeling that my perception of what's acceptable sharing of private data is so disconnected from current popular sentiment that I'm becoming a bitter outsider. I'm sure it's technically well executed as expected from Google management but I do hope it bombs as a product for (to me) obvious reasons.

It even has a mic. IP cameras in my house recording to in-house server = OK IP cameras uploading data to external "cloud" servers I don't own = do not want

We need a startup to build alternatives to nest products in the spirit of what lima [1] is as an alternative to dropbox & google drive.

[1] https://meetlima.com/

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the same first reaction but would you have an objection if you only turned it on when nobody was home (purely to record intrusions)?

I object. I object because turning it on and off by hand would be a real drag, so pretty soon it would be on all the time. I object because I have cats, so motion-based recording will get a lot of cat videos. I don't want to leave a statistical record of when I am likely to be out of my home. I don't want to have video and sound recordings of my home in a subpoenable format. I don't want Google to record my kids runn…

  I don't want my home invaded by Google.
But think of the benefits!

They can see what you watch on TV and use that to tailer offerings and discounts. They can see what brands you wear. They can see what you read. They can transcribe what you talk about.

All of this is about to immensely improve their ability to offer you relevant brands and services. Yay!

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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This is definitely a product there's a need for, but the creepy component is there for sure. Fortunately, there are cameras that run their own servers, without a cloud component. Plus, it's easy to firewall everything going in/out of their IP and put them behind a reverse proxy. I mean easy for me, not the general public.

What is the need? I can only think of reasons it might be 'nice to have' if someone was giving me it for free - and even then I would think twice. What are the real broad needs it's solving for a lot of people? (serious question)

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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I'd buy this for my parents. Been looking for a software company that will do something like this instead of all the other crap that's out there. You won't believe the low quality crap my dad has been asking me to take a look at for their house.

If people got alternatives (decent software startups/companies), please post them :)

Re: Say Hello to Nest Cam

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post #4

My gut reaction is that I'll be paying money to install my telescreen? I have this slightly panicky feeling that my perception of what's acceptable sharing of private data is so disconnected from current popular sentiment that I'm becoming a bitter outsider. I'm sure it's technically well executed as expected from Google management but I do hope it bombs as a product for (to me) obvious reasons.

Apropos acceptable sharing of private data, I too felt the bile rise in response to this product announcement .. the idea that there are generations of consumers who are perfectly willing to have days and days of video of their personal spaces available with little oversight to a third party, well .. its just too much to bear.

I think that the reason its happening, though, is because of a failure of OS producers to solve a couple of problems: one big one is that people just don't like having to maintain a filesystem - and more often than not, don't understand how to do it, either. Another problem is that the OS vendors are asleep at the wheel and have let parties such as Dropbox and so on basically eat their lunch on area's that should really, arguably, have been features of the personal computer operating system world. Peer to peer should be a built-in feature by now. Distributed filesystems which allow full control by the end user: likewise. These should be up-front services of the OS, and not some back-end monstrosity which execution as a market force is leading, directly it seems, to people who just don't care where their data are stored, as long as they can see it now and then themselves ..

I hope we will see some response to this soon - certainly actors like the IPFS group (http://ipfs.io/) have some interesting approaches to the problem. I'd love to see the expectation of built-in, de-centralized, peer-based-filesharing to take off, and we can put and end to all these inter-connected violations of human rights otherwise dressed up as fancy Web 2.0 operations of value ..

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