Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
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Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#2Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based.
If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn't consider women and minorities before instating the rule, which is against the law.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#3Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
The Rooney Rule isn't a preference. It's a way to ensure that classes of applicants who have been systematically excluded from consideration are being considered at some reasonable rate. It does nothing to make a hiring process any less merit-based; quite the opposite, in fact.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#4Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
The Rooney Rule isn't a preference. It's a way to ensure that classes of applicants who have been systematically excluded from consideration are being considered at some reasonable rate. It does nothing to make a hiring process any less merit-based; quite the opposite, in fact.
a rule to require considering at least one minority candidate for open positions
How does that work exactly? If you have the perfect candidate after interviewing 10 white males, you have to find a token black guy to interview?
FYI I am a black male
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Rooney Rule isn't a preference. It's a way to ensure that classes of applicants who have been systematically excluded from consideration are being considered at some reasonable rate. It does nothing to make a hiring process any less merit-based; quite the opposite, in fact.
a rule to require considering at least one minority candidate for open positions How does that work exactly? If you have the perfect candidate after interviewing 10 white males, you have to find a token black guy to interview? FYI I am a black male
The Rooney Rule works when the hiring team complies with it in good faith.
Running the "real" process without any minority candidates and then throwing a patsy in at the end isn't good faith.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#6Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
If you want organizations to be merit-based, you need the larger social context to be merit based, so as to provide a 'background of fairness' to establish what is right or wrong for an organization. To do this, you have to take actions that drive wider social change, not simply optimize your organization.
(If you optimize at the organization level, you end up taking advantage of existing social biases, which is why those subcultures are heavily dominated by the male majority.)To fix this, organizations must not optimize within the existing social biases, but attempt to shift the social biases to that their optimizations are aligned with a merit based-society.
In other words, if you want to hit your target, you have to account for gravity and aim up a little.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#7Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
The Rooney Rule isn't a preference. It's a way to ensure that classes of applicants who have been systematically excluded from consideration are being considered at some reasonable rate. It does nothing to make a hiring process any less merit-based; quite the opposite, in fact.
>systematically excluded from consideration are being considered at some reasonable rate
As mentioned, this is illegal per EEO, take it up with the courts. Otherwise they weren't being systematically ignored for consideration.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#8Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
If you want organizations to be merit-based, you need the larger social context to be merit based, so as to provide a 'background of fairness' to establish what is right or wrong for an organization. To do this, you have to take actions that drive wider social change, not simply optimize your organization. (If you optimize at the organization level, you end up taking advantage of existing social biases, which is why…
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Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#9Can someone explain to me how these type of things aren't racist or sexist? I still don't understand how benevolent preference isn't sexist or racist. Selection should be merit based - not gonad or skin-color based. If the rule applies only to "consideration", as mentioned, then that would be admittance to not following Equal Employment Opportunity laws and they would be open to a lawsuit as it is implying they didn'…
If you want organizations to be merit-based, you need the larger social context to be merit based, so as to provide a 'background of fairness' to establish what is right or wrong for an organization. To do this, you have to take actions that drive wider social change, not simply optimize your organization. (If you optimize at the organization level, you end up taking advantage of existing social biases, which is why…
Wouldn't the company perform best if they didn't pay attention to the larger social context and rather simply hired solely on merit? Like I don't see how in the end hiring on anything but merit mathematically comes out better.
Re: Facebook Starts Its ‘Rooney Rule’ to Increase Diversity in Tech
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want organizations to be merit-based, you need the larger social context to be merit based, so as to provide a 'background of fairness' to establish what is right or wrong for an organization. To do this, you have to take actions that drive wider social change, not simply optimize your organization. (If you optimize at the organization level, you end up taking advantage of existing social biases, which is why…
Wouldn't the company perform best if they didn't pay attention to the larger social context and rather simply hired solely on merit? Like I don't see how in the end hiring on anything but merit mathematically comes out better.
Of course, but that's selfish and damaging in the long term. It's a long term social investment.
You could also get a better score on a test by cheating, but there's a reason you shouldn't do that, and it's not "I might get caught."