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Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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I am having trouble understanding your point and hoping you can clarify it. Disney contracted with this company to perform this action. Isn't Disney responsible for accepting these actions?

All Disney have done from their "you can't prove anything else" point of view is cut costs by finding a cheaper source of local labour through a 3rd party. They have no control over how said 3rd party arranges for the cheaper labour to be made available, or at least no control that can be proven beyond doubt. In fact they probably have no interest at all in how the people get to them - it is none of their business an…

Anyone who contracts work to Cognizant knows the composition of the labor-pool. To play ignorant is beyond hilarious, esp. when your CTO is named Tilak Mandadi.

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I usually don't comment on immigration policies because I'm a US citizen and have never been an immigrant worker, however I dont believe this affects the long term success or failure of the H1B visa program and nor should it. We do exist in a global economy and you must therefore compete globally. If a company feels that they can get equal talent to mine in another country for cheaper costs then so be it; I didn't do…

> I didn't do a good enough job selling my talent or showing why Im worth my rate.

Why would the company hire you, when they can get someone almost as good as you but ready to work for low salary because they dont want to live in India and are afraid to open their mouth because then the employer would send them back to India.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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Why do we need to make it easy for people to come take our jobs? Why would we do that?

Who's "us"? I don't know you, and I have friends who aren't Americans who have been prevented by immigration policy from taking jobs here that I know they'd have been great at. Why should I care more about you keeping your job--just because we were born in the same politically defined geographic area? But if you need a self-interested explanation: because you don't want to be competing with people who have artificial…

Why should you care? Possibly because you realize that undercutting your countrymen, the people you have to live with now regardless of whether they are employed or not, is something that makes your actual community now a worse place.

Call it self interest, but I want to live in a society that is functional and with neighbors that are happy. The alternative is to retreat further and further into an affluent bubble. Then, I admit, you don't have to care.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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I used to rail against the H1-B program until I realized that the body-shop consultancies aren't hurting demand for my services. . . they're increasing it. It seems like at least 75% of the body-shop projects end up being so poorly executed that people like me inevitably get called in to revamp and clean up the mess. By all means, corporate America, keep giving out big projects to the lowest bidder, who will throw th…

Then the project ends up being delivered late, over budget, then the middle-managers that signed off on it get replaced or reprimanded by the execs. Vicious cycle. If you see the way these body-shop projects are pitched, it's one of the few things that make me lose hope in humanity. They bring in an exec who pitches the project, undercuts the competition by about 50%, then they staff some PMs who have no idea what th…

And if you sit through one of those pitch meetings, take note of who they bring along to demonstrate capability. Other than your account rep, you will never see any of those people during the actual project. You will be sent a bunch of "freshers" who are barely competent. The Center of Excellence (COE) staff are essentially technical pre-sales staff.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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To voice your opinion, email guest.services@disneyworld.com. This was the reply I received: Dear Guest, Thank you for contacting us regarding recent media reports about the information technology restructuring at Disney Parks. We greatly value the contributions of our Cast Members. We take great pride in the fact that we have regularly been ranked as one of the best places to work in the United States, but we are alw…

Sadly, none of which says anything about the 70 new jobs and 30,000 jobs total added in the US being non-citizens. New jobs in the US != NOT H1B workers. Skillfully avoiding the topic, but I guess that's why he has that job. And I say this as a non-citizen working in the US.

I work at a company which was a victim of a hostile take-over from the VC. An Indian-American who is part of the VC firm has taken the reigns as CEO and ejected the founder.

The first thing he did was lay-off dozens of technologists and outsource their roles to India. The software fell apart, the people sucked (I was in charge of managing a few, and it was in general an awful experience), and the customers started leaving in droves. Everything about our highly custom software requires rapid responses to customers. It's impossible when you have people, no matter what their skill level, 12 time-zones away.

The CEO back-pedaled, and brought Americans back on. Suddenly, the customers are coming back, and we are growing again. We were always profitable, but he doesn't like the margins. So now he has again tried the outsourcing strategy, but decided to open an office directly in Pune and have direct hires.

The customers are already, once again, suffering. A competitor who does zero out-sourcing is eating our lunch with new customers. (if not for a strict non-compete, I'd jump ship to them in a heart-beat.)

I'm leaving the company, because it sucks working for a CEO who is a poor leader and not creative enough to find ways to make money other than simply cutting costs. I've been here less than a year and have single-handedly built two pieces of new software that are in production with customers. It's been hard, because all of the knowledge has left. The people in India are completely disconnected from the customers.

Outsourcing makes sense to some degree if a company has a core job other than software, and IT is an employee facing role rather than customer facing, but only if it's a somewhat plug and play job that doesn't require lots of domain knowledge.

If you're a software company, and you want to compete, good luck.

My recommendation to anyone on this list:

If you find out that a potential employer outsources, know that this is a sign of someone who sacrifices employee and/or customer happiness to increase profits. This is also reflective of a company that doesn't know how to creatively boost profits in value-add ways.

My CEO has deluded himself into thinking he is adding value, because he can increase the number of technologists for each customer.

Perhaps most comical about the whole thing is that we are a small company with 50 employees, and there are more executives than US based technologists now. I'm looking forward to giving my 2 weeks notice, but not happy about what the impact is going to be on my customers.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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What Disney has done is certainly reprehensible but fully legal (given the "contractor" loophole in the H1-B program). However the backlash is focusing on the "them foreigners taking our Jobs" aspect a bit too much. What should be troubling is the fact that someone in the Executive Suite contracted out important IT functions (such as these jobs were I am assuming). If the CIO/CTO etc are perfectly wiling to disrupt c…

> If the CIO/CTO etc are perfectly wiling to disrupt core functions to shave off some costs - you have to wonder about the strategic abilities of these highly paid morons who cannot think past the next quarter.

Agree, but isn't this a broader issue with the system of incentives in a publicly traded corporation? The drive to sacrifice core capabilities in exchange for short term profits seems to be a widespread recurring problem.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we need to make it easy for people to come take our jobs? Why would we do that?

Competition? Nobody has a indestructible right to their job.

Somehow you never see large employers say, "You know, the real problem is, our business is just not subject to enough competition."
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