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Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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To voice your opinion, email guest.services@disneyworld.com. This was the reply I received: Dear Guest, Thank you for contacting us regarding recent media reports about the information technology restructuring at Disney Parks. We greatly value the contributions of our Cast Members. We take great pride in the fact that we have regularly been ranked as one of the best places to work in the United States, but we are alw…

Sadly, none of which says anything about the 70 new jobs and 30,000 jobs total added in the US being non-citizens. New jobs in the US != NOT H1B workers. Skillfully avoiding the topic, but I guess that's why he has that job.

And I say this as a non-citizen working in the US.

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> We do exist in a global economy and you must therefore compete globally. I completely agree, but that's not what the H1-B visa program does. It allows companies to lock in immigrant workers at a lower rate and little to no job mobility. From a companies standpoint it is obviously what they want - pay less, and job lock in! The fix for the H1-B is true immigration reform. We need to make it easy for people to come t…

Why do we need to make it easy for people to come take our jobs? Why would we do that?

I suppose the logic is that with the same bargaining power as domestic workers, there would be a lot less exploitation. By extension, "job taking" by underpaid foreigners would decrease but competition for jobs would increase.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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Wouldn't raising the minimum was make shipping jobs to China even more attractive?

No, because you can't ship a Burger King job to China.

why is a job flipping burgers worth 30k?

by running up the cost of unskilled labor pressure is put upon those who need skilled labor and many of those jobs can go overseas

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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"I'm sharing news about it because this experience has taught me the H-1b Visa program needs to change to protect others in the future." It's surprising to me that Disney was able to replace its local workforce by foreigners via H-1b visas, since I always thought that companies making use of this type of visa were required to prove that they would not be able to find an employee with the required qualifications in th…

They hired them through a third-party, thus Disney had to justify nothing. Look at the list of H1B awards and you'll see the big body shops.

I am having trouble understanding your point and hoping you can clarify it.

Disney contracted with this company to perform this action. Isn't Disney responsible for accepting these actions?

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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"... and they routinely sacrificed personal time and freedoms to help make your experience in the parks what it was". Never do this unless its a startup you own. You get paid for X to do Y hours and nothing more. Anything more is volunteer work for a for-profit employer.

That's a pretty cynical attitude. It's definitely possible to work for a for-profit company and still care personally about the success of whatever they are doing. You don't have a moral obligation to bend over backwards for a company, but it's ok to be committed for reasons other than a paycheck.

Stories like this one justify the cynical attitude. Corporations are not family.

I personally transitioned from startup life to big-corporation specifically because the expectation to pull nights and weekends was physically burning a hole in my stomach. I will put in extra when requested of me, but I now take a much, much more critical attitude towards such requests; when you work for a publicly-traded company that has to report its balances to the SEC, it's pretty hard for them to claim poverty when they ask more of you.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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"I'm sharing news about it because this experience has taught me the H-1b Visa program needs to change to protect others in the future." It's surprising to me that Disney was able to replace its local workforce by foreigners via H-1b visas, since I always thought that companies making use of this type of visa were required to prove that they would not be able to find an employee with the required qualifications in th…

I believe the author is simply mistaken that H1-Bs are the problem. H1-Bs are limited enough that they can't be responsible for the volume of outsourcing. They also carry salary parity requirements, and while H1-B holders rarely actually make market salary, the savings still aren't enough to prompt a wave of outsourcing. There was a problem at one time with H1-Bs, but the H1-B lottery has become so competitive that it's not a reliable option for companies to base a business model around anymore. The majority of H1-B recipients these days are foreign nationals who attended American universities, often with masters degrees. Those are the kinds of foreign nationals we want participating in the US economy.

The problem today are the L-1 visas, which are relatively unregulated. L-1 visas are for foreign nationals in a management capacity whose companies wish to transfer them to the US. These visas only require that the employer pay the employee's living expenses, and the employee receives the normal salary they would make in their home country (!).

All of this is fine until you start to stretch the definition of "management". Which many consulting companies (Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, etc) have started to do -- they can take a person from India who is paid ~$25,000/yr (a good engineer's salary in India), fly him to the US on an L-1 visa, and charge him out to the client at $100/hr. An equivalent US-based contractor rate for the same position would be $125/hr and have margins around 10-15%. But the offshoring firms can undercut US-based contractors by 25%, eat all the travel/housing expenses, and STILL make well over 100% margins.

L-1s are actually the problem. There's no salary parity requirement, there's no requirement to look for US-based candidates of equivalent positions, just a requirement that the person is "acting in a management capacity" and has worked for the company for at least 1 year. It's hard to prove that someone is not "acting in a management capacity" -- many of the companies outright lie on the visa applications. What's worse, this type of dishonesty is considered fair game when dealing with corrupt bureaucracies in India or China. But L-1s are fueling the latest wave of offshoring: they allow companies to bring people to the US at offshore prices.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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To voice your opinion, email guest.services@disneyworld.com. This was the reply I received: Dear Guest, Thank you for contacting us regarding recent media reports about the information technology restructuring at Disney Parks. We greatly value the contributions of our Cast Members. We take great pride in the fact that we have regularly been ranked as one of the best places to work in the United States, but we are alw…

Sadly, none of which says anything about the 70 new jobs and 30,000 jobs total added in the US being non-citizens. New jobs in the US != NOT H1B workers. Skillfully avoiding the topic, but I guess that's why he has that job. And I say this as a non-citizen working in the US.

>>And I say this as a non-citizen working in the US.

If you don't mind answering a question I've had about this process for a while, it'd be great.

Does your contract end at some point? Do you have options to stay in the US employed by another company?

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't raising the minimum was make shipping jobs to China even more attractive?

No, because you can't ship a Burger King job to China.

Not that I agree with the parent but jobs that weren't burger king like were actually shipped to China and others.

Re: My Position On The Disney Layoffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because you can't ship a Burger King job to China.

why is a job flipping burgers worth 30k? by running up the cost of unskilled labor pressure is put upon those who need skilled labor and many of those jobs can go overseas

Why? Because we (as in "we the people") decide it is so?

Remember, the government, and all its laws, derives its power from us, not the other way 'round.

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