South Korea is taking the concept of Nanny State to a whole new level!
South Korea provokes teenage smartphone privacy row
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the horrendous and repugnant direction in which the UK government is trying to take on privacy Well that's just your opinion. A lot of people would disagree with you.
I'm not sure a lot would...
But, but, democracy! And voting! And "representative" government!
Snarky comment aside. I definitely agree with you, and I'm often very surprised that these sorts of "controversial" topics don't actually get tested. By tested I mean, put to a referendum. Yes, that means getting the majority of the voting populace to be asked which side of the fence they're on for that specific topic/idea/law.
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#33I was mortified when I heard of 'surprise phone checks': parents have their child walk them through every single piece of content and app on the phone. I know someone who found that their 12 year old daughter had found a much older out-of-state admirer who was going to drive out to pick her up. She had been sending explicit pictures of herself. She no longer has a smartphone. As a child, I would not have responded we…
My kid sister and all her friends use Kik. I've had a blunt conversation with her about technology in general, but she is probably the only one in her peer group who has had such a conversation.
That said, the 'controversy' section is an interview with two people. I could say the same about any app being used by children; if you know how to manipulate people and children use it, you can find children seeking validation that will do just about anything for it. Is there any actual reason that Kik is worse than normal technology?
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#34When I'm paying the bill, its my network and responsibility as a parent so I'll take whatever measures I need and track what I want. This is partially to protect my arse from misadventure by proxy and partly to establish healthy use of the internet.
This is done openly and with agreement only. My eldest disagreed so she doesn't get a handset paid for.
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#35The BBC should make look closer to home and grow some teeth and balls and challenge the horrendous and repugnant direction in which the UK government is trying to take on privacy, blanket spying on the general public, right to protest and freedom of speech.
In UK, you have a right to privacy. As long as you are a high profile pedophile, that is.
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#36I was mortified when I heard of 'surprise phone checks': parents have their child walk them through every single piece of content and app on the phone. I know someone who found that their 12 year old daughter had found a much older out-of-state admirer who was going to drive out to pick her up. She had been sending explicit pictures of herself. She no longer has a smartphone. As a child, I would not have responded we…
Honestly, this sounds like the South Korean governments version of Superfish:
"Parents will be able to to see what their kids are up to online and block access to "undesirable" sites."
Given any number of browsers could be installed on the phone, I'm thinking there's a high likelihood this could be a proxy based solution since that would be the simplest approach. While such approaches to nanny guards aren't necessarily inherently broken, there are some real-world difficulties that make the design and implementation hard to secure. I hope they had a really good security review.
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#37I was mortified when I heard of 'surprise phone checks': parents have their child walk them through every single piece of content and app on the phone. I know someone who found that their 12 year old daughter had found a much older out-of-state admirer who was going to drive out to pick her up. She had been sending explicit pictures of herself. She no longer has a smartphone. As a child, I would not have responded we…
My kid sister and all her friends use Kik. I've had a blunt conversation with her about technology in general, but she is probably the only one in her peer group who has had such a conversation. That said, the 'controversy' section is an interview with two people. I could say the same about any app being used by children; if you know how to manipulate people and children use it, you can find children seeking validati…
To be fair: two separate interviews with pedophiles, 5 separate news reports including police warnings, and my personal experience with it.
We're in agreement though - this can happen on any platform, and we essentially only have anecdotal evidence that it may be worse on Kik, but it's definitely one of the apps I would check with an at-risk youth. It's easy to lose track of all the newfangled apps kids are using these days.
Your approach is ideal with a child you can have an open dialog with.
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#38This shows how thin is the layer of democracy in the society. "South Korea is a vibrant democracy. It's had free and fair elections since 1987." (so it is 28 years, this is only about 5 years more than nations in Eastern Europe who escaped Soviet Russian dictatorships). "Major-General Park Chung-hee took power in a coup in 1961. He was a strongman who utilised brutal methods - but he also dictated that industries be…
>this also raises the question why dictators in the north were not able to do the same
Because communism doesn't scale, doesn't really work past the stage of moving farmers into factories, and can only be implemented via punishing human rights violations that keep people from asserting their basic rights of property, prosperity, petitioning the government, changing leadership, etc.
A South Korean "strongman" is pretty weak sauce compared to a communist strongman. Chung-hee held back democratic reforms and was an autocrat. The Jong-un dynasty has sent tens of millions of people to starvation, labor, and death camps, including children, mostly for political reasons. These things are not remotely comparable.
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#39This shows how thin is the layer of democracy in the society. "South Korea is a vibrant democracy. It's had free and fair elections since 1987." (so it is 28 years, this is only about 5 years more than nations in Eastern Europe who escaped Soviet Russian dictatorships). "Major-General Park Chung-hee took power in a coup in 1961. He was a strongman who utilised brutal methods - but he also dictated that industries be…
(this also raises the question why dictators in the north were not able to do the same) Presumably the continuation of the proxy war; the US would have been a lot more open to South Korea.
Gee, maybe instead that communism has been proven to be a economic, political, and human rights disaster? Oh right, of course not. Its the US's fault that broken ideology doesn't work, right? Communists never get judged by history it seems, at least on HN.
Is there anything in your mind that isn't the US's fault?
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#40The BBC should make look closer to home and grow some teeth and balls and challenge the horrendous and repugnant direction in which the UK government is trying to take on privacy, blanket spying on the general public, right to protest and freedom of speech.
> the horrendous and repugnant direction in which the UK government is trying to take on privacy Well that's just your opinion. A lot of people would disagree with you.
It's my opinion too.