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To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

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#41

Isn't it obvious - you BMR is 2-3 times higher than your all other energy expenditures for the day. If you overeat nothing can save you ...

It's not obvious, actually; exercise also affects the BMR, as a matter of fact, according to some theories, certain types of exercise increase the BMR more than certain others (I don't express any support for this, just pointing out). Although we're not talking about huge amounts, when having a precise dieting regime, even a few hundred calories of "good weight loss" matter. Definitely nothing can save one from overe…

The increase is 10% or so IIRC. So still not that significant. In our modern life most of the energy spent is to keep you alive.

And you have upper limit on your BMR - you have to maintain a steady temp. We just cannot dissipate much more than currently before cooking ourselves medium rare.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#42

This is true, but: when I exercise regularly, I find that I am less hungry and eat less. Anyone here made the same experience?

For me it's quite the opposite. I do alot of exercise, and I am generally more hungry / in need of calories in comparison to a week when I did not so much excersise.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#43

Still amazed that people are still considering this a pure caloric issue and not a food quality issue. When you look at how various hormones (namely insulin) are affected by blood sugar & affect body composition, it seems you'd want to promote a method that bears that in mind. That said, I think the focus should be on "eating better" not just "eating less."

Be amazed all you want, but you're conflating two different issues, as does everyone who discusses it the way you do. Your attitude on this is actually a public health risk, because you're implying eating "better" is necessary to lose weight, and eating "better" almost always puts "better" out of reach of low-income families. "Yes, you can lose weight, you just need to spend $60 more a week on things I consider bette…

Yeah, the GP sounds like my wife - "I need to lose weight, better buy two extra broccoli's". Uh no, to lose weight, you need to eat less, not more - just leave that bag of crisps and forget about the broccoli.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#44
So true. I've found that Intermittent fasting + a 500cal deficit (below TDEE) is the easiest/most-effective way because it fits into my life-style as a programmer. I eat my last meal at 8PM and go to bed at 1-2AM. So not eating anything until 1PM the next day is a breeze (with a couple of cups of coffee in the morning). I've lost 20 pounds over the last 3 months with zero exercise.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#45

Still amazed that people are still considering this a pure caloric issue and not a food quality issue. When you look at how various hormones (namely insulin) are affected by blood sugar & affect body composition, it seems you'd want to promote a method that bears that in mind. That said, I think the focus should be on "eating better" not just "eating less."

Yeah, this looks like one of the (many) downsides of the quantifiable self. Nutrition professionals almost always advocate for diversity, but the Internet-wisdom thing is this approach. I guess it's just easier to do the simple math of in minus out (instead of actually trying to understand the nutrition of a complex organism).

Most "Internet-wisdom" always tells you to at least roughly know and adjust your split of macronutrients.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#46

Still amazed that people are still considering this a pure caloric issue and not a food quality issue. When you look at how various hormones (namely insulin) are affected by blood sugar & affect body composition, it seems you'd want to promote a method that bears that in mind. That said, I think the focus should be on "eating better" not just "eating less."

Be amazed all you want, but you're conflating two different issues, as does everyone who discusses it the way you do. Your attitude on this is actually a public health risk, because you're implying eating "better" is necessary to lose weight, and eating "better" almost always puts "better" out of reach of low-income families. "Yes, you can lose weight, you just need to spend $60 more a week on things I consider bette…

Nothing I said was "indignant."

Just stating that there's other things besides such strict calorie counting. On top of the fact that when practically put into play for people in real life, "calorie counting" feels restrictive, doesn't account for satiety (which then causes hunger & tends to lead to binges).

Re: better - tons of vegetables, high quality meats, low-sugar fruits, nuts and seeds. Carbs when-appropriate pre/post workout.

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#47
post #12

Still amazed that people are still considering this a pure caloric issue and not a food quality issue. When you look at how various hormones (namely insulin) are affected by blood sugar & affect body composition, it seems you'd want to promote a method that bears that in mind. That said, I think the focus should be on "eating better" not just "eating less."

Eating 3000kcal of "quality food" every day will still make you gross fat and give you heart problems. And did you know that protein also affects insulin? Insulin is essential for muscle building. Still find it hilarious how so many people still don't understand that a caloric deficit or surplus is the #1 thing to do when trying to cut or bulk.

"Eating 3000kcal of 'quality food' every day will still make you gross fat and give you heart problems"

Eating 3000 kcal every day would make me shrivel away to skin and bones.

"thing to do when trying to cut or bulk"

Most adult males who lift enough weights to care about cutting and bulking are burning 3000+ kcals daily.

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#48
post #18

It seems like the article downplays the role of exercise - maybe I'm nitpicking, but how is this a valid argument: "Over a six-month period, though, adding exercise made no difference." I mean who wants to lose weight over six months only to be more likely for them to gain it back? Also, looking at weight alone is misleading. All other factors being equal, a person burning 2500 kcal per day and consuming 2000 would b…

"All other factors being equal, a person burning 2500 kcal per day and consuming 2000 would be worse off than if they burn 3000 kcal and consume 2500."

I have tried every possible generous interpretation of this that I can think of, but I just have to ask I guess: what's the idea behind this?

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#49
post #12

Still amazed that people are still considering this a pure caloric issue and not a food quality issue. When you look at how various hormones (namely insulin) are affected by blood sugar & affect body composition, it seems you'd want to promote a method that bears that in mind. That said, I think the focus should be on "eating better" not just "eating less."

Eating 3000kcal of "quality food" every day will still make you gross fat and give you heart problems. And did you know that protein also affects insulin? Insulin is essential for muscle building. Still find it hilarious how so many people still don't understand that a caloric deficit or surplus is the #1 thing to do when trying to cut or bulk.

> Eating 3000kcal of "quality food" every day will still make you gross fat and give you heart problems.

Well, depending on your size, activity level and metabolism - maybe. Maybe not.

> Insulin is essential for muscle building.

Sure - post workout. If you get a massive insulin spike first thing in the morning (juice plus bagels and cereal), at the exact time where your body's hormone levels are optimal, you're not doing yourself any favors.

I'm not vilifying any hormones - but there are optimal times to take advantages of the benefits of specific ones (and optimal times to make sure they're not spiking all over the place).

Re: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

#50

This is true, but: when I exercise regularly, I find that I am less hungry and eat less. Anyone here made the same experience?

If I know I'll go for a run I am very hesistant to eat heavily, as I know I'll regret it.

The more you exercise the more you push back heavy/unproductive meals in your schedule. You just know if you eat wrongly you won't be able to keep up with your own pace of execise.

Eating and execise seem deeply connected to me. Certainly it is hard to put this kind of thinking into a controlled randomized trial.

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