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Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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You could do that. But most cars come with a handy dashboard-mounted speed indicator device, often in plain view of the driver - so you could use that to determine your car's speed instead.

You should, uh, read the whole thread, it's an analogy.

It's a pretty crappy analogy.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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What I find more interesting than the device is a quote from the officer, "Their attitude will determine whether I issue a citation. If they take it and just throw it on the seat, then I know I wasn’t effective. Then in that case I would issue a citation." Does this seem extremely subjective and arbitrary to anyone else?

No more than anything else. If you're gonna be a dick, then there's a cost to that.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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For the entrepreneurs here, I promise to order a $200 version of this. Ideally it'd just be a mount I'd drop my phone into so that I could, say, pair it with Bluetooth and have an app that simultaneously records video with overlaid range and GPS information. I would pretty much immediately start documenting the routes I ride.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bosch-130-ft-Laser-Distance-Measu...

Laser would end up hitting a driver in the eye and causing a wreck.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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California has the same law. This is a great way to get tools into the hands of police to help them enforce the law and educate drivers.

And if you decide to ride in the middle of a lane while on a bike, should the car drive in the other side of the road to pass you? This tool is arbitrary and will not change the problem, lack of dedicated bike lanes.

Why should they pass you? Or rather, why would it be any different than a slow driver?

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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What I find more interesting than the device is a quote from the officer, "Their attitude will determine whether I issue a citation. If they take it and just throw it on the seat, then I know I wasn’t effective. Then in that case I would issue a citation." Does this seem extremely subjective and arbitrary to anyone else?

Remorse is often considered in criminal matters. I don't see how this is any different.

Because it's asking the enforcers to become the judges. There's good reason those powers remain separate.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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Remorse is often considered in criminal matters. I don't see how this is any different.

Because it's asking the enforcers to become the judges. There's good reason those powers remain separate.

Enforcers make those kind of decisions all the time. Ever been "let go with a warning" for some other kind of violation?

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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Honestly that sounds like excellent policing to me. If we issue everyone with a ticket for the smallest infraction we end up alienating the public. I'm a law-abiding citizen; I want to help the police. If I'm pulled over for something fairly innocent - say, not quite leaving enough room for a cyclist - and I'm given a $150 fine, no questions asked, what that does not do is make me respect cyclists more. It makes me d…

The grandparents wasn't questioning whether it makes sense to give warnings, he was questioning whether we really want officers on the street making gut-level decision about how sorry they think the driver was.

I certainly want the police officers I interact with to be capable of and practiced in the art of correctly making a gut-level decision. I would argue that the problem in the US is in choosing who we give that authority to.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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The grandparents wasn't questioning whether it makes sense to give warnings, he was questioning whether we really want officers on the street making gut-level decision about how sorry they think the driver was.

I certainly want the police officers I interact with to be capable of and practiced in the art of correctly making a gut-level decision. I would argue that the problem in the US is in choosing who we give that authority to.

I certainly agree that some people are better decision makers than others, and there's plenty to say about who we want to be employed as officers, but frankly I don't think I want any officers deciding whether to give out $100 tickets based on how blase someone puts a pamphlet on their passenger seat. Maybe if it was in a small culturally homogeneous town you could hope to makes a good read there, but otherwise I think there's just too much miscommunication.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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Well red light cameras can capture license plates, so all we need to achieve parity is legally require front and back license plates on bicycles. Seems reasonable, eventually inspection stickers too. Want to make sure brakes work, has working lights. More like motorcycle requirements perhaps? Edit: just to frame, I did not watch the youtube video you linked to, I was just brainstorming out loud and I don't think anyo…

Because adding surveillance placards to one of the few remaining untracked modes of transportation is a fantastic idea. This "make cyclists stop" red herring persists because some drivers have developed stockholm syndrome with the large quantity of unnecessary traffic control devices that have been deployed by committee (most stop signs could be yields, most red arrows could not exist, and at least a third of stop li…

I just call it as I see it. And in every American city I have been in in the past ten years, I would say a good 95% of cyclists who come to a stop-sign intersection just run right through the stop sign never slowing down, regardless of whether there are cars at the intersection or not. Don't take my word for it, go out and watch. Go to any intersection in any city. Wait for a cyclist. Bingo. Next cyclist. Bingo. Try it. Basically almost all cyclists run stop signs. There is no red herring. It's the culture.

Re: Police use ultrasonic device to make sure drivers stay 3 feet from cyclists

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I certainly want the police officers I interact with to be capable of and practiced in the art of correctly making a gut-level decision. I would argue that the problem in the US is in choosing who we give that authority to.

I certainly agree that some people are better decision makers than others, and there's plenty to say about who we want to be employed as officers, but frankly I don't think I want any officers deciding whether to give out $100 tickets based on how blase someone puts a pamphlet on their passenger seat. Maybe if it was in a small culturally homogeneous town you could hope to makes a good read there, but otherwise I thi…

Yeah that's kind of where I was going with that. It would be most ideal if the law was applied evenly and not arbitrarily.

I am all for protecting cyclists and pedestrians, however more laws enabling arrest and arbitrary execution of statue seems less desirable to me.

A clear line delineating between a cycling lane and vehicle lane would perhaps be a more effective safety method than employing a person to dispatch donated pamphlets using donated detection equipment. It seems like the line between a lobbying party and the execution of the law is blurred. In this case, its relatively innocuous however this kind of ambiguity of the intent of the law and the blurred line of its application is probably common.

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