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Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#11

It hurts me when people chose to keep things broken (Craigslist) for irrational reasons, especially when it wastes hours of time for millions of people.

their decision seems perfectly rational. if services like this one become popular, they are a huge threat to their business.

they're not morally obligated to provide unfettered access to their data to anyone who wants it- i fail to see how it is "broken"

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#12

It hurts me when people chose to keep things broken (Craigslist) for irrational reasons, especially when it wastes hours of time for millions of people.

It seems to me that Craig is trying to balance making CL wide-openly available to individual people while preventing a business ecology from growing on top of it. He is all for the latter, and really hates the former. In contrast EBay thrives on the business ecology it has created. (But then I think Craig is a socialist at heart -- and bless him for it!)

So, while I am sorry that a bunch of cool hacks got shut down, it might be a pretty reasonable decision on CL's part to cut off Yahoo Pipes. Plus, it's his site to do with it what he wants...

(There is some great interview with him in Wired that got linked here not too long ago.)

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#13

For the life of me, I can't understand why craigslist has had this mentality. I basically have to chalk it up to Craig being stubborn. He was burned by ebay grabbing 20%, he hasn't changed the design ever, and may constantly live in fear of being co-opted by the man. But like it or not, Craigslist is the man. And when your users go out of their way to create pieces of software that actually improve the experience for…

"For the life of me, I can't understand why craigslist has had this mentality."

You mean the mentality that has created one of the top five websites ever? I mean EVER? ... Oh, that poor Craig, silly idealistic fellow...

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#14

It hurts me when people chose to keep things broken (Craigslist) for irrational reasons, especially when it wastes hours of time for millions of people.

their decision seems perfectly rational. if services like this one become popular, they are a huge threat to their business. they're not morally obligated to provide unfettered access to their data to anyone who wants it- i fail to see how it is "broken"

Brokenness: Show me all apartments or rooms-for-rent in mountain view with dish washers, clothes washers, and covered parking.

There's no way to (legitimately) outwardly index, categorize, or aggregate craigslist content.

(Related gripe: apartment searching in google is useless too: http://www.google.com/search?q=mountain+view+apartments It gets slightly better with searching on maps, but not by much.)

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#15
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Sorry to say but company that treats developers like dirt is doomed.

Craigslist has continued to thrive over at least ten years of neglect and hostility towards developers as well as interaction design. They seem to disprove your claim.

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#16

It hurts me when people chose to keep things broken (Craigslist) for irrational reasons, especially when it wastes hours of time for millions of people.

their decision seems perfectly rational. if services like this one become popular, they are a huge threat to their business. they're not morally obligated to provide unfettered access to their data to anyone who wants it- i fail to see how it is "broken"

It's broken because the people who go out of their way to create software for craigslist aren't largely duplicating functionality.

Want a map view so you can see all the relevant listings in one view?

Want craigslist to deliberately filter the same text or picture used for different listed apartments or jobs so you don't waste your time or get scammed?

Want to search by squarefoot or by actual bedrooms or by picture?

Apple would say "There's an app for that." Craigslist says "screw you".

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#17

For the life of me, I can't understand why craigslist has had this mentality. I basically have to chalk it up to Craig being stubborn. He was burned by ebay grabbing 20%, he hasn't changed the design ever, and may constantly live in fear of being co-opted by the man. But like it or not, Craigslist is the man. And when your users go out of their way to create pieces of software that actually improve the experience for…

Craigslist nets tens of millions in profits each year, most of which I would assume ends up eventually in Craig Newmark and Jim Buckmaster's personal bank accounts.

I would guess they are operating under the principle of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#18

For the life of me, I can't understand why craigslist has had this mentality. I basically have to chalk it up to Craig being stubborn. He was burned by ebay grabbing 20%, he hasn't changed the design ever, and may constantly live in fear of being co-opted by the man. But like it or not, Craigslist is the man. And when your users go out of their way to create pieces of software that actually improve the experience for…

Craigslist nets tens of millions in profits each year, most of which I would assume ends up eventually in Craig Newmark and Jim Buckmaster's personal bank accounts. I would guess they are operating under the principle of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

You honestly think they're in it for the money?

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

their decision seems perfectly rational. if services like this one become popular, they are a huge threat to their business. they're not morally obligated to provide unfettered access to their data to anyone who wants it- i fail to see how it is "broken"

It's broken because the people who go out of their way to create software for craigslist aren't largely duplicating functionality. Want a map view so you can see all the relevant listings in one view? Want craigslist to deliberately filter the same text or picture used for different listed apartments or jobs so you don't waste your time or get scammed? Want to search by squarefoot or by actual bedrooms or by picture?…

It just means there's a huge opportunity to build a great craigslist competitor by building a service that has all these features.

Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes

#20

For the life of me, I can't understand why craigslist has had this mentality. I basically have to chalk it up to Craig being stubborn. He was burned by ebay grabbing 20%, he hasn't changed the design ever, and may constantly live in fear of being co-opted by the man. But like it or not, Craigslist is the man. And when your users go out of their way to create pieces of software that actually improve the experience for…

This is total conjecture on my part, but part of this mentality might lie in the fact that Craigslist is user-moderated. You shouldn't be circumventing the duplicate, spam, and misleading entries (which helps only you) you should be seeing and flagging them for removal (which helps everyone).

I like to think that Craigslist isn't free, I just pay for it with my time and attention by flagging the junk that doesn't belong there.

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