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I really don't see the link with a cult.
Yeah, Christianity isn't that bad.
it's not that bad? There is thousand of years of history that contradicts you. But I don't see how all of that is relevant in this thread?
Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
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I would never want my business to boil down to a collective of people who will undoubtedly be on the wrong side of history. It's bad mojo all around, not just bad money.
I can't imagine how this could happen to Reddit - if some category of people is "on the wrong side of history", they are either a minority (however vocal) or are about to become a minority very soon - otherwise we couldn't really say the history is going against them, right? If the site is not a niche site but a broad host-all ad-supported site like Reddit, their income can't depend exclusively on a minority of users…
The wrong side of history being people who practice or support hate speech.
Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
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I can't imagine how this could happen to Reddit - if some category of people is "on the wrong side of history", they are either a minority (however vocal) or are about to become a minority very soon - otherwise we couldn't really say the history is going against them, right? If the site is not a niche site but a broad host-all ad-supported site like Reddit, their income can't depend exclusively on a minority of users…
The wrong side of history being people who practice or support hate speech.
Quite the contrary - people who want government to ban speech because they feel bad hearing it are on the wrong side. "Hate speech" is just another way of saying "I don't like this speech", nothing more. Which is fine - nobody should be forced to listen to something one doesn't like. But when this term is abused to justify violence and coercion - governmental and private - as is frequently the case - then it's the wrong site of history. Of course, Reddit or anybody has the right to choose which speech to host - but one doesn't need to invent special category of "hate speech" to express this simple thought.
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Pointing out that something doesn't solve anything is no argument against it. I don't think jogging will make me live forever, but I still do it.
Yes it is. "Jogging" isn't something that doesn't solve anything, jogging solves lots of things, and hopefully by jogging you can live longer, if not forever. Banning 1 hateful subreddit on an open forum does nothing to solve to issue of someone being called a hambeast, or someone being an asshole in general.
Sorry, typo - my post should have read "Pointing out that something doesn't solve everything is no argument against it".
In other words, just because banning /fph won't entirely solve the problem of People Being Assholes doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
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No, that part is not changing. What is changing is more rules getting added. They still don't remove anything that doesn't violate the rules. The only new rule is no harassment.
Adding more rules counts as a change.
He said that they don't touch posts unless they violate the rules. You said that is changing. No, that is not changing. They still don't touch anything unless it violates the rules.
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HN isn't very good, but it's a little better than the current state of reddit, which is like a middle school without adults. At least people try to be intellectual on HN.
Hacker news is consistently superior to reddit. I think we're just being difficult.
I'd rather we all be intentionally snooty and arrogant and keep the unsuited at bay instead of succumbing. We can easily be silenced with a few keystrokes, at pg's command.
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I never understood why reddit was so lenient with its community. There are so many racists and hateful subreddits, that attract more and more people like that, that makes the community as a whole worse. I'm really glad that moderation actions like that are taken, and I'm sad that people reply to that by "harassing" the CEO... Hopefully such people will get frustrated by such events and will eventually leave reddit. N…
> I never understood why reddit was so lenient with its community. I liked that reddit bent over backwards to allow a wide variety of opinions, even ones that were ignorant or hateful. I viewed it as a noble stance. But once upon a time, the "ugly" subreddits were ignorable and mostly self-contained. (At least to me, usually) > that attract more and more people like that, that makes the community as a whole worse. Yu…
> Yup. This trend surprised me--the recent exponential growth of some of the toxic hate subreddits.
Another way to view it: Hateful reddits are a pressure release valve caused by political correctness.
The media's political correctness and current pushes for "diversity" in tech pretty much gut normal speech in favor of giving control to outsiders. I could elaborate.
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#379I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand I'm against censorship, on the other I'm against internet bullying. /r/FatPeopleHate was engaging in both. In the end reddit is a private site that can do what it wants. Wikipedia removes things all the time and sites like 4chan remove all sorts of extremely offensive material. I'm glad the mods of the hate oriented subreddits have been shadow banned, I actually think…
>/r/FatPeopleHate was engaging in both. Blatant lies such as this do not help your side of the argument. FPH was not engaging in harassment or bullying whatsoever, any instances of this were entirely attempts at false flagging. FPH is not about hate, it is not discriminatory, it is not prejudice, and it most certainly didn't violate any of reddits rules.
What was it about then?
Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign
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The wrong side of history being people who practice or support hate speech.
Quite the contrary - people who want government to ban speech because they feel bad hearing it are on the wrong side. "Hate speech" is just another way of saying "I don't like this speech", nothing more. Which is fine - nobody should be forced to listen to something one doesn't like. But when this term is abused to justify violence and coercion - governmental and private - as is frequently the case - then it's the wr…
I respectfully deny your simplified definition of "hate speech" and reassert that history has decided that hate speech is to be prevented (unless we regress completely to a pre-civil rights society). Your supposed "justification of violence and coercion" seems misinformed, and I'd like to hear more about these instances of injustice.