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Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

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"Doesn't cost anything": This is a meme that is largely false. Any large organization will buy support for open source software which can sometimes be actually more than the cost of a database license (see Datastax and Cassandra). License, support, take your pick. It takes people to keep systems running.

In the article it is said by moving from Oracle to Datastax support, the cost was down from $500 000 to $90 000. Oracle support has a cost too.

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I don't even know how Oracle is still the juggernaut that they are. A $10,000 dollar computer running postgres can serve a ridiculous amount of queries. I suspect the general idea is to spend huge amount of money to run incredibly inefficient SQL queries.

There are a lot of large third party enterprise applications that only support Oracle. I know several places that I deal with that are still on Oracle, not because replacing Oracle with Postgres is particularly hard per se. but because replacing everything that talks to the Oracle database is too hard.

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My reaction to this article: Mwahahaha. Although surprised it is Cassandra, and not mysql thats taking the market share. Is there some technical reason for this? I'm not intimate with what Cassandra offers.

Cassandra is a distributed database that easily scales more or less to infinity. As you add more nodes to a cluster, it automatically redistributes data throughout the cluster. It "just works", and that's pretty exciting. So Cassandra at the moment seems to be enjoying a bit of the hype cycle that MongoDB enjoyed 5 or 6 years ago. It's the thing that everyone wants to try out and get onto their resume at the moment.…

Another trade off is speed vs data duplication.

http://blog.websudos.com/2014/08/16/a-series-on-cassandra-pa...

"Duplication of data is not only possible, but it’s also encouraged and often the only way to model the SQL equivalent."

Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

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I see this phrase repeated over and over: nobody got fired for chosing Oracle, ibm, or Microsoft. I wonder: did anyone got fired for chosing Postgres, Linux, or even new and risky stuff like Mongodb or nodejs? And being told at their exit interview "you should've decided to use Oracle"? I guess tech people are fired for lack of talent in hustling company politics much often than they are for chosing a technology.

From first hand experience, it is much harder to maintain a FOSS environment. It feels like putting more on the line. And I cannot deny that I do it partly out of ideological reasons.

So I can totally imagine people being fired for getting in over their heads and messing something up, maybe repeatedly.

On the other hand, I've seen techs be banned from a client environment while dealing solely with proprietary software too.

Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

#95
This article is a bit sensationalist and misleading.

It mainly talks about the database whereas Oracle does many other things these days (amongst other things some high value SaaS applications in the marketing space that can't be replaced by open source.

Also, the article criticises their growth but come on! They're the 2nd largest enterprise software company in the world - they aren't going to have the kind of 100% YoY growth that a small startup could have.

My prediction is oracle will eventually tighten down and freshen up a bit, cut some of the fat and continue to be a juggernaut for another 10 or so years at least.

(Disclaimer: I liked oracle for many years and recently used to work for and still have a soft spot for them somewhere despite their challenges :) ) Sent from mobile

Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

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This. Who is going to sign a Service Level Agreement for your postgres install? Support contracts are super important for enterprise.

EnterpriseDB? http://www.enterprisedb.com/ba/license-support-services-v3-0

The drive time from the nearest EnterpriseDB office to my office is at least 12 hours (and that is probably quite a bit below the median). To the nearest Oracle office it's a 15 minute walk. That is probably going to have some effect on the call out time for technicians.

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It's not so much that someone will say "you should've used Oracle". It's that when your application is down for two days they'll say "you should've picked a vendor with 24 hour support and good penetration in the job market". Now, your Oracle-hosted application might go down for two days as well, but then people would shrug and say "sometimes this happens." To be fair to Oracle, though, it does seem to happen less of…

Oracle's database itself is superlative . It's just everything else about dealing with Oracle.

I agree with you on both counts.

Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

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Oracle's database itself is superlative . It's just everything else about dealing with Oracle.

I agree with you on both counts.

With our Postgres move, we worried slightly about Postgres support for the trickier bits, but (b) our Oracle support does Postgres as a sideline (a) there are less of them when you can do a PG cluster per app, and nothing actually has to play nice with anything else.

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I see this phrase repeated over and over: nobody got fired for chosing Oracle, ibm, or Microsoft. I wonder: did anyone got fired for chosing Postgres, Linux, or even new and risky stuff like Mongodb or nodejs? And being told at their exit interview "you should've decided to use Oracle"? I guess tech people are fired for lack of talent in hustling company politics much often than they are for chosing a technology.

From first hand experience, it is much harder to maintain a FOSS environment. It feels like putting more on the line. And I cannot deny that I do it partly out of ideological reasons. So I can totally imagine people being fired for getting in over their heads and messing something up, maybe repeatedly. On the other hand, I've seen techs be banned from a client environment while dealing solely with proprietary softwar…

We're doing an Oracle->PG move at present.

I would disagree it's harder. It's trepidatious, but that's not the same.

We're in the middle of taking all our internal apps talking to a single huge Oracle database, and giving each app its own cluster of two PG boxes. Nothing has to play nice with anything else - that alone suddenly makes life ridiculously easier.

We have expensive paid Oracle support, who do PG as a sideline. But we've yet to have occasion to call them about PG.

Re: Oracle Sales Erode as Startups Embrace Free Software

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post #88

I don't even know how Oracle is still the juggernaut that they are. A $10,000 dollar computer running postgres can serve a ridiculous amount of queries. I suspect the general idea is to spend huge amount of money to run incredibly inefficient SQL queries.

For what I see in the entreprise world they play it like that : 1. lock entreprise in a 5 year contract. 2. when contract is about to expire lower prices to match wathever other companies are offering for the next 5 years + migration cost. 3. Win the deal as you offer the best value for the money : same ammount + no risk. 4. repeat This is the main reason why you can see companies running on mainframe in 2015.

5. threaten a compliancy audit unless they re-sign.
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