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“A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

kragen wrote: post #413
venning wrote: post #132

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DC is definitionally composed of people carrying opinions across the spectrum. Being vocally opposed to those things you list is actually a job requirement for some places. DC's stereotype is a bit unnuanced.

In DC the unacceptable opinions don't include the things listed above, but that doesn't mean there aren't any unacceptable opinions there.

Try going to D.C. and preaching that the government should be forcibly (or even peaceably) overthrown and abolished, and see how tolerant those "folks" actually are.

D.C. is a cesspool of iniquity and filth.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by Conjoiner »

smitherfield wrote: post #261
yarvin9 wrote: post #257

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I shouldn't post as urbit. Quite a few other people, few of whom agree with me on anything, have worked on the project. The word "racist" and its conjugations does not appear in the English language until the 1920s - see Peter Frost's cultural history [0]. If you asked Shakespeare if he was a "racist," he would not know what you meant. "Racist" is essentially a term of abuse which no group or party has ever applied t…

"Racist" is essentially a term of abuse which no group or party has ever applied to itself. To be a little pedantic, that's not strictly true; as Frost points out, "racist" was originally intended as a literal translation of the German völkisch , which the Nazi Party certainly self-described as. But I suppose you could say that's the exception which proves the rule.

völkisch means folk-like, meaning 'of the people/liked by the people'. The term predates, massively, any idea of race. In fact we have the same word in Swedish (folklig) and it has no politically incorrect air about it.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by yebyen »

steveklabnik wrote: post #396
tptacek wrote: post #355

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If that's true, that wasn't a great thing for him to have done. Later: a cursory look at Klabnik's feed suggests it's likely to be true. Again: not a great thing for Klabnik to have done.

I said that I have not been to Strangeloop before, but that's because it's scheduled during the busiest conference weekend of the year, and I historically always have conflicts. This year, I have a conference that overlaps the first day, and am trying to decide if I can make it work.

I am not upset. The Urbit folks have hit the repos with renewed vigor, and more people are talking Urbit on Twitter this week than in the 10-20 prior weeks combined. If you're pleased with the outcome too, then we're both glad.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by tptacek »

gladius17 wrote: post #430
tptacek wrote: post #321

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I stand corrected about the name. Here's an honest summary of what I think: I find it very easy to see the importance of a serious general-purpose overlay network, since I think that's the future of the Internet, so much so that I think something like Urbit will make IPv6 irrelevant. I'm philosophically inclined to appreciate that work. I find that the programming model you've attached to it --- the Nock/Hoon stuff -…

I want to personally thank you and your ilk for being such shallow morons that you felt excluding Mr. Yarvin from this conference was a bright idea. What an incredibly foolish mistake for you...and a lucky turn of events for humanity. I bet you actually think "your team" won something just now. But the only thing you've done is ensured you go down in history as the immature fuckwits you sadly are. I'm OVERJOYED that…

On behalf of my entire ilk, or what parts of it I have not yet pickled with whiskey, thank you for the kind words.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

hga wrote: post #351
13thLetter wrote: post #347

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"On the other hand, if he was not going to be able to effectively run the foundation and there were schisms forming in the community that's so essential to the continuation of the foundation's work...what are you, as Mozilla, to do?" We hear this a lot, but I have to wonder to what extent the schisms would have formed if Mozilla had firmly said that people's political views outside of the workplace are irrelevant, ra…

I know that on the right, in the forums I follow, Mozilla has lost a lot of mind share and usage, pushing people to Chrome or Pale Moon (a Firefox respin that I was already using because stock Firefox became too slow on Debian wheezy). Firefox certainly isn't doing well in the browser market share reports I hear of.

I use Firefox, because it's the only browser which fits my requirements. I hate this piece of shit, and wish all the developers to drown in a vat of acid.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

newuser88273 wrote: post #388
yarvin9 wrote: post #259

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Sorry, but no. urbit, from the Latin urbs == city, is actually a good bit older than UR. The initials are somehow very compelling - another couple of great literary UR blogs are the Unz Review (unz.com) and Uncouth Reflections (uncouthreflections.com). I will admit that urbit has very few users, as technically we're really not launched at all. We were thinking Strange Loop might be a good place for this, but I guess…

Just so people don't think there's no third way to think about your work: I get nothing but snake oil vibes from Urbit, but loved the blog, which, among other things, was the venerable art form of Usenet trolling taken to utter perfection.

"Just so people don't think there's no third way to think about your work:"

What follows don't really resemble "thoughts." Maybe the word does not mean what you think it means.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

obstinate wrote: post #198
steveklabnik wrote: post #179

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As, I would imagine, the professed beliefs of many on HN, yet here we are.

When it comes to reactionary beliefs, there is a significant contingent on this site that believes one ought to be able to hold them publically with no consequences in any other space. This happened with that Mozilla CEO that resigned, the scientist who wore the shirt with scantily clad women on it, and a number of other situations where the privileged paid nominal costs for their mistakes. It is very upsetting to a…

"When it comes to reactionary beliefs"

The term "reactionary" being a label you've created, in order to demonize, not understand.

"there is a significant contingent on this site that believes one ought to be able to hold them publically with no consequences in any other space. "

Also known as "intelligent, rational individuals."

"This happened with that Mozilla CEO that resigned, "

Under pressure from the faggots, of course.

"the scientist who wore the shirt with scantily clad women on it,"

Another victim of your type's idiocy.

"and a number of other situations where the privileged paid nominal costs for their mistakes."

Your use of the word "privileged" is a dead giveaway that you're a fucking asshole.

"It is very upsetting to a subset of our fellow hners that you can't express antisocial ideas consequence-free."

Actually, what's upsetting is that dumb fucks such as you label people as "anti-social", and think there should be "consequences" for expressing ideas you disagree with.

OK then, that's the world you want to live in? Two can play you game. I hope somebody shoots you in the fucking face for expressing your ideas.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

hibikir wrote: post #187
k_brother wrote: post #111

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Could you provide citations for those posts? This is the first I have heard of either Curtis or Moldbug, and I'm having trouble seeing the connection you're drawing. However, it seems to be the consensus. [edit: I see that there are secondary sources — but I'm curious about a primary source. Shouldn't that be the most important?]

It's pretty difficult. Racism, like other ideas that at some point were not considered unacceptable in public, is nowadays covered in what we could call Hermetic writing: In other words, instead of saying what they really want to say, a racist says things that imply they are OK with racism. A way that you can find all over his writings is talk about how people and businesses should be free to refuse dealing with peop…

"A way that you can find all over his writings is talk about how people and businesses should be free to refuse dealing with people for any reason whatsoever. "

That's called freedom of association, dumb fuck, not racism.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

tptacek wrote: post #183
leereeves wrote: post #136

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I'd never heard of him either. Now we have. If the goal of banning him from the conference was to suppress his ideas, his opponents remind me of George Bush standing beneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner.

The goal of banning him is probably not to "suppress his ideas". I'd imagine the goal is something more like "not allowing the experience of conference attendees to be made a little less pleasant in the service of what is a quirky and maybe interesting but probably pretty marginal technical talk".

"The goal of banning him is probably not to "suppress his ideas""

Wrong, moron. That is exactly what the goal is. It is of course not something that a moron like you would ever admit to....because it sounds bad. But we can argue and argue and eventually it will come out. And then you'll make some other excuse why it's still OK. Because you're a hypocritical piece of shit asshole.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by yebyen »

gladius17 wrote: post #428
yarvin9 wrote: post #268

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It seems worth taking this criticism up with the authors of, for example, Risch et al 2005 [0]. From the abstract: "Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-ide…

Mr. Yarvin, is there some way to get ahold of you, via email or IRC? I'm not some hater who's pissed off about your political views or anything like that. This is very important. Thank you in advance, Nathan Klein

If you didn't reach him, I can help put you in touch. If it's about Urbit, you might want to try the mailing list.

My contact e-mail is [my name] @ gmail

Urbit (Tlön) employees can generally be reached as [their first name] @ tlon dot com

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