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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by tptacek »

devalier wrote: post #417
tptacek wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

William Saletan does not hold that position. He apologized for the series of columns he wrote, and acknowledged that he sourced them poorly. To argue that he agrees with you today requires you to argue that he wrote dishonestly. Were that the case, I'd have no reason to believe anything he wrote was in good faith. As it stands, the simplest explanation was: he was writing discursively, as an essayist; his ideas seeme…

OK, apologies for the misquote. Let me apply a patch to replace "yet he called Saletan an idiot for holding this third position" with "yet he called an article idiotic that provided supporting evidence for this position." The gist of my comment still stands. "He apologized for the series of columns he wrote, and acknowledged that he sourced them poorly" Are you referring to this article? http://www.slate.com/articles…

If your argument requires us to stipulate that Saletan wrote something dishonestly, I'm not sure why I have to concede that the apology was the dishonest bit. Let's just conclude then that he's entirely untrustworthy and move on.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by amcastillo »

kragen wrote: post #414
amcastillo wrote: post #314

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If CY's writing on Carlyle is relevant, why is noting that SK lobbies for more programmers to integrate Marx and other left-radical writers beyond reproach? http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2011-12-15-marx-anarchism...

Klabnik in that post seems to be advocating anarchism, which Marx struggled for decades to expunge from the socialist movement. I'm not that familiar with Klabnik's politics, but having skimmed that piece I would be surprised to learn he was actually Communist.

Moldbug explicitly disavows fascism, yet here we are. If we're going to split hairs we need to be consistent.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by amcastillo »

steveklabnik wrote: post #396
tptacek wrote: post #355

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If that's true, that wasn't a great thing for him to have done. Later: a cursory look at Klabnik's feed suggests it's likely to be true. Again: not a great thing for Klabnik to have done.

I said that I have not been to Strangeloop before, but that's because it's scheduled during the busiest conference weekend of the year, and I historically always have conflicts. This year, I have a conference that overlaps the first day, and am trying to decide if I can make it work.

Doesn't change the fact that you inserted your radical politics into a technical event that you were not planning to attend. You are the fascist here, Steve.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by hga »

kragen wrote: post #414
amcastillo wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If CY's writing on Carlyle is relevant, why is noting that SK lobbies for more programmers to integrate Marx and other left-radical writers beyond reproach? http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2011-12-15-marx-anarchism...

Klabnik in that post seems to be advocating anarchism, which Marx struggled for decades to expunge from the socialist movement. I'm not that familiar with Klabnik's politics, but having skimmed that piece I would be surprised to learn he was actually Communist.

Klabnik says the simple, one word definition of himself is "communist", although in detail it's more nuanced.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by bk81 »

sudioStudio64 wrote: post #394
dropit_sphere wrote: post #377

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>You aren't trying to say then that the colonial powers assumed control of Africa to stop rape? We should be thankful that they didn't. Who knows how they would have screwed it up? No, the mechanism is a happy accident of nature, that people take care of the things they own . A country with a bunch of rape going on is a disorderly, unsafe country, which is bad for business. It may grate against your idealism (as it d…

I get that social order was produced in colonial Africa, but you kind of have to ask...for whom? To say that there was strong social order for Africans is probably a stretch. The crimes against them were probably legal in a lot of colonial areas. So while they had fewer public works that were rusting it was probably legal for certain parties to commit rape even at the height of colonial Africa. Rape maybe one extreme…

>most of them were ok with the hunger and joblessness that came with emancipation.

How do you know?

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by tptacek »

amcastillo wrote: post #423
steveklabnik wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said that I have not been to Strangeloop before, but that's because it's scheduled during the busiest conference weekend of the year, and I historically always have conflicts. This year, I have a conference that overlaps the first day, and am trying to decide if I can make it work.

Doesn't change the fact that you inserted your radical politics into a technical event that you were not planning to attend. You are the fascist here, Steve.

Personal attacks are unwelcome on HN. I think I actually agree with the substance of your argument, but you made it repellent by phrasing it that way.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by [deleted] »

urbit wrote: post #202
al3x wrote: post #151

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There were a number of people who voiced their objections on Twitter. It's easy to ask the rhetorical question here, but if you really want an answer, go check out what they said. In particular, people who represent groups that Moldbug treats as subhuman in his writing expressed concern and dismay. Perhaps looking through their eyes for a moment might illuminate why a person would care.

Ironically, the St. Louis hacker who first suggested urbit would be a great fit for Strange Loop (hi Justin!) is an African-American. An obsession with collective identity and collective characteristics - all proletarians are noble, all Germans are masters, all rednecks are racists, etc, etc - is common, perhaps for obvious reasons, in the democratic era. And in particular, all parties responsible for the atrocities…

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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

yarvin9 wrote: post #268
cactusface wrote: post #245

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I'm repeating myself here, but per WP, "Scientific racism is [...] alternatively the practice of classifying individuals of different phenotypes into discrete races."

It seems worth taking this criticism up with the authors of, for example, Risch et al 2005 [0]. From the abstract: "Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-ide…

Mr. Yarvin, is there some way to get ahold of you, via email or IRC? I'm not some hater who's pissed off about your political views or anything like that. This is very important. Thank you in advance,

Nathan Klein

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Post by [deleted] »

yarvin9 wrote: post #259
tptacek wrote: post #143

Isn't Urbit named for the Mencius Moldbug blog, whose writer repeatedly refers to same as "UR"? How distinct is Urbit and Yarvin from the advocacy of the Moldbug UR blog? The association between Yarvin and that blog isn't exactly cryptic; for instance, Yarvin has given somewhat recent video-recorded talks espousing many of the same ideas as the blog, purposefully and in some depth. Is it possible that the most boring…

Sorry, but no. urbit, from the Latin urbs == city, is actually a good bit older than UR. The initials are somehow very compelling - another couple of great literary UR blogs are the Unz Review (unz.com) and Uncouth Reflections (uncouthreflections.com). I will admit that urbit has very few users, as technically we're really not launched at all. We were thinking Strange Loop might be a good place for this, but I guess…

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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by gladius17 »

tptacek wrote: post #321
yarvin9 wrote: post #259

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Sorry, but no. urbit, from the Latin urbs == city, is actually a good bit older than UR. The initials are somehow very compelling - another couple of great literary UR blogs are the Unz Review (unz.com) and Uncouth Reflections (uncouthreflections.com). I will admit that urbit has very few users, as technically we're really not launched at all. We were thinking Strange Loop might be a good place for this, but I guess…

I stand corrected about the name. Here's an honest summary of what I think: I find it very easy to see the importance of a serious general-purpose overlay network, since I think that's the future of the Internet, so much so that I think something like Urbit will make IPv6 irrelevant. I'm philosophically inclined to appreciate that work. I find that the programming model you've attached to it --- the Nock/Hoon stuff -…

I want to personally thank you and your ilk for being such shallow morons that you felt excluding Mr. Yarvin from this conference was a bright idea. What an incredibly foolish mistake for you...and a lucky turn of events for humanity.

I bet you actually think "your team" won something just now. But the only thing you've done is ensured you go down in history as the immature fuckwits you sadly are.

I'm OVERJOYED that you are personally too stupid to understand what his code is good for. This guy is like a gold coin laying on the sidewalk, being constantly trampled underfoot, which nobody is smart enough to bend down and pick up.

Without y'all making him into a martyr, we'd likely have never heard of him, or his project....and the future might have been a very different place. So thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for being an unimaginative, clueless, self-absorbed asshat.

We just so happen to have a use for his invention that will make him a multi-millionaire in short order. You'll be reading about Mr. Yarvin in the magazines in a few years.

You may want to reflect on what is so seriously wrong with your way of thinking about the world that it causes you to fail, time and time again, to appreciate and respect genius when you see it.

Could it be your massively overinflated ego and sense of self-worth?

Maybe you're not the special little shit you've always imagined yourself to be.

Could it be because you have spent your entire life searching for something to be pissed off and offended about, and thinking of about how you can rank up in society and step on others to do it?

Maybe it's because you're busy doing anything and everything but what the geniuses are doing: studying technology, and thinking new thoughts.

How many new words and concepts have YOU invented, you judgmental prick?

Nathan Klein

(Remember that name.)

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