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Re: It's the Future

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Post by carapace » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 4:23 PM UTC

ezy wrote: post #83

dragonwriter wrote: post #62

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Devs are people. Getting people to use things requires communicating to them what the things is for, and how it is better than other alternatives, and how to use it to realize that benefit. Therefore, devtool adoption requires messaging related to what the devtool is for, how the devtool is superior to other alternatives in the same space, and how to use the devtool to realize that superiority. Actually having the to…

I get that you want to make people aware of the tool and its advantages because you think others might find it useful. But what part of that requires any attention to the condescending idea of "messaging" vs just straight up telling people (a) what it does and (b) why you created it. Anyway, perhaps I'm being a grumpy old man late in the workday, I'll leave it be :-)

You are correct, and the people downvoting you are wrong. Technical engineering decisions should be made on the basis of concrete analysis and not popularity contests. The noisy kids will come around sooner or later.

Re: It's the Future

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Post by jimbokun » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 5:21 PM UTC

ezy wrote: post #75

akanet wrote: post #53

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I find that position to be very hard to understand - devtools live or die by their adoption. A clear understanding of what a tool does is critical to its adoption. Look at, say, the homepage of Ruby: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ . There's a clear, two sentence explanation of what it is: A dynamic, open source programming language with a focus on simplicity and productivity. It has an elegant syntax that is natural t…

"I find that position to be very hard to understand - devtools live or die by their adoption" Some of the time, that is true, but not all the time, maybe not most of the time -- you are putting the cart before the horse. In fact, I would argue that this is an anti-pattern. Yes, you might use (e.g. to pick 2 unrelated domains) Hadoop or Python because they are popular, but consider how they got popular in the first pl…

"Ruby was not adopted because of its webpage or its user base, it was adopted because one person bothered to look into it, liked it and decided to build a very popular web framework around it."

dhh is a brilliant marketer.

Re: It's the Future

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Post by jimbokun » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 5:36 PM UTC

BerislavLopac wrote: post #135

In the immortal words of David Wheeler and Kevlin Henney: "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection, except for the problem of too many levels of indirection." Feel free to substitute abstraction for indirection.

Just saw this linked on HN yesterday:

http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/innovation.html

I think Wheeler and Henney's quote applies to a lot of the advances on this list.

Re: It's the Future

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Post by redsparrow » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 8:02 PM UTC

S4M wrote: post #97

nether wrote: post #49

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Soylent had exceptionally poor order handling prior to their latest round of funding. The way they've run their business and development seems like a total joke. 6-10 month order delays over a year since they started selling? (Not to mention charging orders before shipping) "Most scientific food" - zero clinical trials? Are you shitting me?

It's also crazy that they don't let you order one sample to test it. There is no way I will pay $70 for 28 meals if I don't know if I will like it.

I think the expectation that you'll like it on the first try is low. Maybe they're hoping you'll get used to it. :)

Re: It's the Future

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Post by msane » Thu, Jun 11, 2015, 5:36 AM UTC

pbiggar wrote: post #124

lstamour wrote: post #123

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Hmm. By that logic, one VM compiles the app and produces or inserts it into another VM runtime environment....?

Basically yes. The dev container is used to build the production container's image.

I like where you're going with that

Re: It's the Future

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Post by john3263 » Sun, Jun 14, 2015, 1:12 PM UTC

nether wrote: post #49

Animats wrote: post #3

Ah, l33t for system architects. A few days ago, the CTO of Soylent, the food drink, was describing their elaborate computer infrastructure. They have one (1) product and a simple web site. Based on their sales volume, they do about two sales a minute. That could run on a HostGator "Hatchling" account for $4/month, using one of the seven off the shelf shopping cart/payment programs HostGator offers.

Soylent had exceptionally poor order handling prior to their latest round of funding. The way they've run their business and development seems like a total joke. 6-10 month order delays over a year since they started selling? (Not to mention charging orders before shipping) "Most scientific food" - zero clinical trials? Are you shitting me?

Their order times are actually really low now (a few days). Customer satisfaction is much higher now as well.