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Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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I do not know about this specific case (looking at the subreddits I truly doubt it is an example) but there are examples of systems using anti-harrassment as a means to censor particular groups, links, and ideas.

With a title like "'Troll hunting' algorithm could make web a better place" (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-04/14/google-algori...) this algorithm seems like a true boon. It's only slightly suspicious (and can easily be explained away) that two of the three websites used in its study were political websites. You'd have to be pretty zany to leap to the conclusion that the paper had anything to do with censorship.

It would look worse if one of its co-authors (Cristian Danescu-Niculescu-Mizil) received funding from the DoD to study the propagation of information through social media online (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.01383.pdf) as part of DARPA SMISC - a strategic communications (DoD term for propaganda) research group that studies how information flows on social media and how to direct and disrupt it.

Many researchers take grants from all over though, and anything in this area of study is likely to get investment from the DoD. So still it's more reasonable to think that, since he works in that area, of course he will receive DoD funding.

Yet it was posted with 22 likes to NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (https://www.facebook.com/StratComCOE), a Facebook wall also contains a review of a book called "The Weaponization of Social Media" and announces its participation in a conference on “Cyberattacks and Propaganda: the Battlefield of Future”.

As evidenced (again) as recently as this week by a group of people who run an anti-TPP website, there is an inter-website system for blocking posts to certain content (https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/38pmg8/hey_redd...) - Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc all simultaneously blocked this website. Whether this was an error or not (it probably was), it points out there is a centralized system for blocking content.

Both the Facebook emotion experiment and the Facebook vote experiment had ties to funding to the DoD (and Air Force though blurbs about funding from the Air Force, which handles cyber in the US, was erased from the academic's page when there was public attention; it was reported to be a clerical error).

This is not to say that this is used inside the US to block US contibuted content. While the history of the United States Government in applying strategic communication and information support to US audiences has been slippery, and the Smith-Mundt Act (anti-propaganda law) was recently weakened under the justification that global interconnectedness of conversation, news and social media makes it difficult to prevent US propaganda intended for foreign audiences from making it back home.

The new CEO of Reddit is on the board of a Washington Defense Thinktank. This anecdote doesn't imply anything. But it does mean that you should be asking Reddit and its CEO hard questions, you should be skeptical of intentions, and you should demand that Reddit - like all other companies that own your communications and socialization - keep themselves to the highest possible standards.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sites are very comparable, which is why everyone is comparing them. 4chan being profitable, and reddit not being profitable don't make them not comparable. Lots of ads have fat shaming in them, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't want diet pill ads next to fat shaming posts. Have you read any fitness articles recently? It's pretty much fat shaming content, next to ads for things that might make you less fat.

4chan was profitable? I find that very surprising.

He said in an interview that it was technically profitable, but that nobody was taking a paycheck. That was in 2010. It's been supposed that the 'passes' system in 2012 made the site actually-profitable, but I haven't seen any statement to that effect.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/one-on-one-christop...

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not ban the people organizing these activities rather than the sub? It's a smoke screen for banning ideas.

If the people organizing the activities are the moderators, how do you ban them without banning the sub?

Ban the moderators but not the subs?

Is this some sort of trick physics question?

It seems to me to be possible to have this sort of feature in software... it's like a channel in IRC with out an op.

Also, how is what the mods were doing not a speech issue? If crimes were committed surely reddit was not negligent in reporting these to authorities?

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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HN users consistently imply this place has better comments than Reddit. "Reddit is a cesspool." "Can we please not bring this to HN as well." etc. I've never had a problem avoiding content I didn't like there. Meanwhile I saw great discussions at various times. Here, on the other hand, I've nearly stopped reading. Besides the unjustified elitism, constantly I'd post on a thread here only to see it disappear with no e…

HN isn't very good, but it's a little better than the current state of reddit, which is like a middle school without adults. At least people try to be intellectual on HN.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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This marks the beginning of the end of Reddit. It's been a long time coming and Reddit has become a huge promotional platform for pseudo user generated content submitted by shills and celebrities. A lot of people are migrating to Voat. http://voat.co

I genuinely hope they do, it would be nice to browse reddit without them

That site has been down all day. But frankly if they get all of the racists/fat haters/misogynists/etc then Reddit will be significantly better for it.

The site always had undertones of this stuff, but as the popularity grew these previously minority voices got louder and louder and harder to ignore until I myself don't spend a whole lot of time on Reddit now.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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And yet subreddits like 'coonville' and 'GreatApes' still exist and continue shitting all over reddit. I know it makes my (black) wife feel welcomed when subreddits she frequents are slammed with the most virulent hate speech you can imagine.

There's nothing wrong with them banning those ideas, they just shouldn't claim their not banning ideas.

I don't see why banning racist ideas would be so out there. Sure people are going to complain and leave, but aren't those like EXACTLY the people you want to leave?

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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This article dramatically understates the magnitude of the shitstorm that is currently unfolding. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/all/ if you feel like seeing all the ugliness. (And if anyone has any doubts that this is ultimately about harassment, count how many of the posts on the front page (and their comments) are made up of personal attacks and/or obscenities targeted at CEO Ellen Pao.) I don't fault the Reddi…

I think banning the fatpeoplehate subreddit wouldn't have gone over so badly if it wasn't for the fact that Ellen Pao was already kind of hated on the site for constantly banning and deleting anything disagreeing with her viewpoint about her law suit.

Even political cartoons with her driving the tank and the reddit alien with a down vote in front were getting deleted, which were quite funny and appropriate, since she was shadow banning and deleting people basically for down voting her law suit.

It's tough to stand up and defend the fatpeoplehate group, but when someone abusing their power and deleting anything they don't agree with in a lawsuit does it, well, in this case maybe a villain ruining the site on her managed to do something not terrible, but because she is a villain it comes across a lot worse.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Reddit has become a real cesspool over the past few years. You'll always find misogyny front and center and you don't have to dig to find racism.

Feminism too.

I'm pretty sure the radical feminist movement is being curated by Russian trolls to create social unrest.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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A few weeks ago, /r/fatpeoplehate started showing up at the top of /r/all, every day. This was pretty lame, since I prefer /r/all versus home page. Anyone know how /r/fph suddenly jumped so high?

> Anyone know how /r/fph suddenly jumped so high? It was the fastest growing subreddit outside of the defaults, and by far the most active. Turns out there's a large contingent of people who seem to hate fat people, at least that's how it seems anyway

It's a stupid reaction to the growing tide of people embracing obesity as a harmless and even desirable condition. Some people in this group, especially those coming from tumblr echochamber communities, have absolutely insane demands and ideas. They are annoying, and they also can be somewhat harmful by encouraging people to maintain unhealthy behavior.

The people on /r/fatpeoplehate don't hate fat people, they're just actively attempting to do the exact opposite of what the "SJWs" demand. I'm surprised by how many redditors were willing to participate in it, but I guess it was a circlejerk that gave the finger to SJWs, which is just about the perfect bait for a redditor.

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