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Re: I quit the tech industry

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Post by ryandrake »

rdtsc wrote: post #233
sopooneo wrote: post #215

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Your point about the overly aggressive golf-made deal: how do we fix that? I really don't have an answer, but if we, as developers, are really so smart, we should be able formulate the problem and find a solution. We will have to avoid imagined constraints and thinking the answer is related to producing more code, but it's got to be there. Is it related to playing the office politics game better? And if so, can that…

Company I work for tried to solve it using this rule -- don't hire any MBAs. Every manager, product manager, and even salesperson is (or at least was at some point) an engineer. This works in our context (and has worked for many decades apparently). But I doubt this scales to a large size.

That sounds like a very silly policy. Would your mind be blown to learn out there exist many MBAs with engineering backgrounds, and that they're actually not idiots?

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Post by rmc »

fragsworth wrote: post #368
esharte wrote: post #327

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>~53% high tax rate with only about ~$35K in income I'm sorry but you cant just go on to HN and make stuff up. You pay 20% on the first €33,800 income and only 40% on income over €33,800 if single. You pay 20% on the first €42,800 income and only 40% on income over €42,800 if Married with one income. You pay 20% on the first €67,600 income and only 40% on income over €67,600 if Married with two incomes. You pay 20% o…

Maybe including City / Local taxes?

Nope. I'm Irish and confirm those figures. There is no city or local taxes in Ireland. (Ireland, with a population of 4.5mil isn't split into many different juristicions like the USA)

Re: I quit the tech industry

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Post by infinitone »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #358

An interesting comment I saw in this thread is the suggestion to take medication [presumably to make working a job easier / more manageable]. To this I say -- are you fucking kidding? Working like we do is already fairly unnatural. Taking medication to allow yourself to continue doing something unnatural, which you don't even like, has to be the one of the most dehumanizing things I can think of. That's modern day, s…

> What you need is: a roof over your head, food, laptop/phone, and a gym membership.

Erm... what about I don't know the most human thing before all that... some companionship?

Frankly, i find thats actually the real reason for most of these burnouts/crashes. Humans are the most social creatures in the world and this trait is diminished by our tech culture.

Re: I quit the tech industry

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Post by kzhahou »

I resent the fact that so many people here are calling this BURNOUT.

Can you not fathom the idea that Eevee simply saw and accepted the truth: that the job at Yelp was not personally meaningful?

Re: I quit the tech industry

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Post by rifung »

probablyfiction wrote: post #17

This is what burnout looks like. Unless Yelp has a toxic work culture, it's likely the author brought it on themselves by pushing too hard. After several months, the author will probably start thinking about work again, and begin the job search once more. Not to say that the author's points are invalid; it's a terrible feeling to have to spend your most productive hours working on someone else's problems. He or she m…

Is this really burnout? I feel like I've been burned out before but from what the author was saying, this doesn't seem like it. If anything it just seems like he has a lot of other things he wants to do and work prevents him pursuing them which made him unhappy.

Of course, he still tried to pursue them in his spare time but then he just didn't have enough time to do them as much or as well as he wanted.

Is this really burnout though? I ask because I relate to much of this situation, but I actually love my job, my company, and my coworkers. It's very interesting and I am very happy working. I just wish there were more time because there are still other things I would like to work on and I'm only getting older.

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Post by OneOneOneOne »

mootothemax wrote: post #84
pessimik wrote: post #70

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Go to Poland - 19% flat income tax rate for companies - you can get flat by 400 euro / month in biggest cities and work remotely for foreign clients.

Go to Poland - 19% flat income tax rate for companies - you can get flat by 400 euro / month in biggest cities and work remotely for foreign clients. To expand on this: one can operate as a sole trader company, and enjoy the 19% flat income tax rate. You can also register your company for VAT, and then claim back the VAT on company purchases. The only other cost is ~$270 / ~240 EUR / ~180 GBP per month in social insu…

How are Warsaw and Krakov for families with children?

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Post by rmc »

yebyen wrote: post #274
sbierwagen wrote: post #263

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Does any country out there not tax progressively? I just can't imagine it - "Great, you got a pay rise! Now you get to take home less, until your pay rises by another $5,000!" He's just whining. At no point under the progressive tax system do you get penalized for earning more: the first $35K of your income is still taxed at the lower rate. When you earn dollar number 35,001, that dollar is taxed at 53%, but your ave…

He's still paying a significantly higher tax rate on that dollar than if he didn't earn it this year. If he is not hurting for cash and he could defer it until next year (or year after that) with no penalty at all and (arguably) negligible risk, thus paying the lower personal income tax rate on that dollar, why not do it? I don't see what part is misunderstood. If you're being paid by your employer, obviously you wan…

Sure, but 50c is better than €0.

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Post by moogly »

johnward wrote: post #221
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #212

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This isn't burnout: " I stay up hours later than I mean to, not even doing anything, just trying to put off sleeping — because the next thing I experience will be waking up and going back to work." This is straight up depression. We need to stop using office-cliches like "burnout" and start addressing the very real mental health issues in the tech industry. Maintaining my mental health is like staying in shape, eatin…

I thought that feeling was just normal. I've experienced it basically since I started working in tech. I can't imagine most people want to actually wake up and go to work. It's not possible. The funny part is I find myself dreaming of going back to stocking shelves at a grocery store like I did in high school. I'd never make enough money to support myself doing something like that though. I romanticize the Peter Gibb…

I also thought that feeling was normal. I sure have felt it during my entire career.

It's getting worse though. I've soon reached the point where I really can't give a rat's arse about my job. The software I get to develop doesn't help making the world a better place. It doesn't help people, other than making rich people richer. It doesn't advance mankind. Not does it bring joy or excitement to anyone. It's just so pointless, drab and dull.

Re: I quit the tech industry

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Post by devonoel »

I guess the real trick is to build your own business, but it keep it small enough that you don't end up exactly in the same place, but with yourself at the head of it.

Find yourself a tiny niche, fill a need for just enough people that you can keep yourself gainfully employed doing something you care about, and not have to worry about hiring other people to work under you and all the other shit that comes with building a company. Stay small and lean. You won't get Facebook rich, but maybe you'll be happy.

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