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Re: Goodbye Sweden

#91

Post by simongray »

dimitar wrote: post #64
_delirium wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Denmark, in my opinion much of the worry is not based on first-hand experience with actual immigrants who have moved to your town and are not integrating well, but rather with a more generalized worry that the culture in some sense is threatened. That's harder to solve with practical measures like integration assistance, because it's not based on specific daily problems but more general ideological worldviews…

Are you sure that an European equivalent of white-flight hasn't happened? People who are less likely to like living with immigrants are likely to move to suburbs or not move to the cities in the first place. Enclaves are caused by "tipping" in a Schelling check-board model. It would be interesting to check the data to this type of model.

The only flight we see in Denmark are people fleeing the quiet rural areas and moving to the big university cities, primarily Copenhagen and to a lesser degree Århus.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by spanishcow »

I didn't knew that ycombinator allowed such xenophobic views on their site. This is an example of some guy that thinks that only the pure swedish people is to be trusted.

I'm horrified at what Hacker News can become...

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#93

Post by cyphunk »

spanishcow wrote: post #92

I didn't knew that ycombinator allowed such xenophobic views on their site. This is an example of some guy that thinks that only the pure swedish people is to be trusted. I'm horrified at what Hacker News can become...

While I agree the article is trash I also think having it posted on HN provides value as the comments and reaction show clearly how unwelcome xenophobia is.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#94

Post by PopeOfNope »

cyphunk wrote: post #93
spanishcow wrote: post #92

I didn't knew that ycombinator allowed such xenophobic views on their site. This is an example of some guy that thinks that only the pure swedish people is to be trusted. I'm horrified at what Hacker News can become...

While I agree the article is trash I also think having it posted on HN provides value as the comments and reaction show clearly how unwelcome xenophobia is.

All it's shown me is how politically biased the readership here is.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by shas3 »

superplussed wrote: post #6
leonk wrote: post #4

Nationalism, xenophobia, and even fascism seems to be on the rise in Sweden - as it is in the rest of Europe. (I'm basing this solely on media coverage and personal observation.) Posts like this show a poor attempt, with entirely subjective observations, to justify some of these attitudes. What's particularly scary is how the poster tries to disguise his views with a belief in socialist politics.

"The once homogenous population has been forever altered by a rapid and massive addition of people from vastly different cultures and value-systems. 26,8% of the population is now foreign-born or with at least one foreign-born parent, and the national census bureau estimates that some 150 000 per year will arrive to the country of just 9,8 million residents. There simply is no possible way to absorb and assimilate su…

I think 'belongs to Pegida handbook' in itself doesn't say much. It would be ideological (as opposed to evidence-based) political correctness to avoid stating the obvious: it is almost impossible to absorb huge volumes of immigrants, especially when a country has been largely homogeneous and insular for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It does behoove new immigrants to learn the language of their adopted countries. This does not have to be at the expense of their native cultures, insofar as it doesn't run contrary to humanistic principles (e.g. mistreatment of women and FGM are both 'cultural' and 'religious' for sure, but they still have to be repudiated.)

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by beerbajay »

ceorgecarl wrote: post #88
leonk wrote: post #4

Nationalism, xenophobia, and even fascism seems to be on the rise in Sweden - as it is in the rest of Europe. (I'm basing this solely on media coverage and personal observation.) Posts like this show a poor attempt, with entirely subjective observations, to justify some of these attitudes. What's particularly scary is how the poster tries to disguise his views with a belief in socialist politics.

So I'm xenophobic for worrying about parts of Malmö where the post office and global carrier services such as DHL no longer operate because they can't guarantee their workers safety and where even the police can't go without the equivalent of a SWAT team? That just doesn't belong in Sweden, no matter how you try to justify it.

Yeah, you probably are.

I live in Malmö; the "problem area" you're talking about is a couple of blocks by Seved, where one company (Postnord) won't deliver _large_ packages due to the possibility of theft. That's not "the police can't go there". That's not "DHL can't guarantee worker safety". I've walked these streets hundreds of times; they're no different than thousands of other streets in thousands of other cities. They're not especially dangerous. They are in fact probably safer than large parts of other cities.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by beerbajay »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #41

"crumbling rail system"? Going to Sweden on vacation. Please tell me it's BS :)

It's infinity times better than the US rail system.

It's "crumbling" because the system has been split up into smaller companies with some parts having been contracted out to private companies all of which now fight over whose responsibility it is to fix certain parts of the infrastructure.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#99

Post by nova »

rmxt wrote: post #89
fyrus wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If foreigners come to country / need jobs / get jobs only were true. Would you say your little sunshine story applies to other areas of swedish immigration as well? No it doesn't, and that's what people are starting to realise. But once you do and call for actions from the governmment, you're being called a racist from people that still live in a dream world and refuse to wake up. Dreams are easy, truth is hard.

If calling things "racist" is a dream, then so is the sunshine story of blaming everything on "the immigrants" and a "crumbling social fabric." Polarization and naivety are easy, subtlety and deeper understanding are hard.

> Polarization and naivety are easy, subtlety and deeper understanding are hard

Isn't precisely the problem that we can't have a rational discussion of this issue without people bringing out the X-word, the R-word, the I-word and others and calling for immediate stop of all criticism of the current situation?

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