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Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Let's see if these fare any better than the projections used by the IPCC ... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5297 "The most recent climate model simulations used in the AR5 indicate that the warming stagnation since 1998 is no longer consistent with model projections even at the 2% confidence level." Kudos to them for publishing these, though. If they are rotten, it ought to be easy to tell.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-...

This is coming from a perspective of "I know a little about stats", not "I know anything about climate science":

That doesn't feel like a particularly strong response to ESR's claim. Taken as a response to that claim, it feels kind of like: "our predictions were wildly inaccurate, but it's a complicated system with short-term and long-term factors and the short-term factors caused more warming just before we made our predictions and less just after, and that threw us off".

Which doesn't inspire confidence. If you can't predict the short-term factors, you need to widen your confidence intervals. I feel like at the very least, you should be making predictions like "conditional on these factors staying within these bounds, we expect this amount of warming". Then if that condition doesn't hold, you don't lose any bayes points.

(I recognize that the article wasn't written as a response to ESR, I'm not even sure it was a response to the same thing that ESR is talking about. But you offered it as a response, so that's how I'm evaluating it.)

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Let's see if these fare any better than the projections used by the IPCC ... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5297 "The most recent climate model simulations used in the AR5 indicate that the warming stagnation since 1998 is no longer consistent with model projections even at the 2% confidence level." Kudos to them for publishing these, though. If they are rotten, it ought to be easy to tell.

His global warming conspiracy theories are as crackpot as his racist criminology theories. "In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? That stupid people are more violent is a fact independent of skin color. " -Eric S Raymond, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=129…

>average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population?

Growing up in poverty, which many minorities do in this country, has been linked with lower IQ. Criminal populations are 8 IQ points below the mean. Whether there's a connection here is beyond me, but I really hate how people play up the hysterical political correctness card to censor these types of discussions. In many countries, raising people out of poverty lowers crime. There's definitely a connection here and in the US we're so PC, that we can't discuss these things, thus our continued high crime rates in many urban areas.

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a "racist" doesn't add to the conversation and only helps to make sure that we cannot discuss race issues without unneeded emotional drama.

cites:

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v18/n5/full/nn.3983.html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178903...

Please read my primary sources before handing me more drive-by downvotes.

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Let's see if these fare any better than the projections used by the IPCC ... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5297 "The most recent climate model simulations used in the AR5 indicate that the warming stagnation since 1998 is no longer consistent with model projections even at the 2% confidence level." Kudos to them for publishing these, though. If they are rotten, it ought to be easy to tell.

His global warming conspiracy theories are as crackpot as his racist criminology theories. "In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? That stupid people are more violent is a fact independent of skin color. " -Eric S Raymond, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=129…

I'm not sure how discussing statistics is racist, particularly when later in the article he says:

"And that is actually a valuable hint about how to get beyond racism. A black man with an IQ of 85 and a white man with an IQ of 85 are about equally likely to have the character traits of poor impulse control and violent behavior associated with criminality — and both are far more likely to have them than a white or black man with an IQ of 110. If we could stop being afraid of IQ and face up to it, that would give us an objective standard that would banish racism per se. IQ matters so much more than skin color that if we started paying serious attention to the former, we might be able to stop paying attention to the latter."

Making discussing statistics "racist" is a disservice to disadvantaged communities.

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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His global warming conspiracy theories are as crackpot as his racist criminology theories. "In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? That stupid people are more violent is a fact independent of skin color. " -Eric S Raymond, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=129…

>average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? Growing up in poverty, which many minorities do in this country, has been linked with lower IQ. Criminal populations are 8 IQ points below the mean. Whether there's a connection here is beyond me, but I really hate how people play up the hysterical political correctness card to censor these types of discussions. In many countries, raising people out of pover…

I'm doing the opposite of censoring them: I'm bringing them up for discussion, and making sure we DO discuss race issues.

Eric Raymond is on the record as having said a hell of a lot of other racist stuff. Remember his full throated defense (employing the dog-whistle term "thug") of Russ Nelson's infamous "Blacks are Lazy" essay that was such an embarrassment to the open source software community? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russ_Nelson#Blacks_are_la...

Eric S. Raymond wrote: “The people who knew Russ as a Quaker, a pacifist and a gentleman, and no racist, but nevertheless pressured OSI to do the responsible thing and fire him in order to avoid political damage should be equally ashamed,” Raymond said. “Abetting somebody elses witch hunt is no less disgusting than starting your own.”

“Personally, I wanted to fight this on principle,” Raymond said. “Russ resigned the presidency rather than get OSI into that fight, and the board quite properly respected his wishes in the matter. That sacrifice makes me angrier at the fools and thugs who pulled him down.”

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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>average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? Growing up in poverty, which many minorities do in this country, has been linked with lower IQ. Criminal populations are 8 IQ points below the mean. Whether there's a connection here is beyond me, but I really hate how people play up the hysterical political correctness card to censor these types of discussions. In many countries, raising people out of pover…

I'm doing the opposite of censoring them: I'm bringing them up for discussion, and making sure we DO discuss race issues. Eric Raymond is on the record as having said a hell of a lot of other racist stuff. Remember his full throated defense (employing the dog-whistle term "thug") of Russ Nelson's infamous "Blacks are Lazy" essay that was such an embarrassment to the open source software community? https://en.wikipedi…

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Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? Growing up in poverty, which many minorities do in this country, has been linked with lower IQ. Criminal populations are 8 IQ points below the mean. Whether there's a connection here is beyond me, but I really hate how people play up the hysterical political correctness card to censor these types of discussions. In many countries, raising people out of pover…

I'm doing the opposite of censoring them: I'm bringing them up for discussion, and making sure we DO discuss race issues. Eric Raymond is on the record as having said a hell of a lot of other racist stuff. Remember his full throated defense (employing the dog-whistle term "thug") of Russ Nelson's infamous "Blacks are Lazy" essay that was such an embarrassment to the open source software community? https://en.wikipedi…

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Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His global warming conspiracy theories are as crackpot as his racist criminology theories. "In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? That stupid people are more violent is a fact independent of skin color. " -Eric S Raymond, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=129…

I'm not sure how discussing statistics is racist, particularly when later in the article he says: "And that is actually a valuable hint about how to get beyond racism. A black man with an IQ of 85 and a white man with an IQ of 85 are about equally likely to have the character traits of poor impulse control and violent behavior associated with criminality — and both are far more likely to have them than a white or bla…

I'd like to see upfront mention of things like environmental lead before I'm comfortable with that angle of analysis.

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how discussing statistics is racist, particularly when later in the article he says: "And that is actually a valuable hint about how to get beyond racism. A black man with an IQ of 85 and a white man with an IQ of 85 are about equally likely to have the character traits of poor impulse control and violent behavior associated with criminality — and both are far more likely to have them than a white or bla…

I'd like to see upfront mention of things like environmental lead before I'm comfortable with that angle of analysis.

I'd like to see some mention of the fact that blacks are incarcerated at MUCH higher rates for committing the same crimes as whites, which he never addresses (and he ignores it when people bring it up), yet that totally undermines his statistical argument.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-rushing/the-reasons-why-...

Re: NASA releases detailed global climate change projections

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I'm sure someone here is already making a visualization with the dataset.

At 12 TB I think just getting the files would take days of downloading. I have 25 mbs which equals to 1041:40:00 (hh:mm:ss) That is 25 mbs perfect connection with no errors or drops. 1041 hours equals 43+ days. http://www.numion.com/calculators/time.html

All of the ISPs where I live have a 150GB per month cap with $10 for every 50GB over, so this also means it would cost me an additional $2,500 in charges in addition to the download time. I don't think I'll be getting this anytime soon.
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