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Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by kagamine »

Trufa wrote: post #11
mahouse wrote: post #8

Sweden is the best example of what happens when you have a completely liberal society. And, of course, it's bleeding to lots of places. And if you call them out, you are called racist.

Completely liberal?? Drinking is extremely expensive and regulated, drugs are strictly forbidden. It's full of subsidies and welfare in many aspects of life and society, not sure what you're talking about. It's very liberal in some senses, but calling it a completely liberal society is silly.

I think user mahouse has confused liberal with European socialism (as opposed to Soviet socialism) and is blaming socialist policies for the death of Sweden. There is some truth in that Scandinavia has gone too far in favor of the world's poor at the expense of it's own citizens (by truth, read: popular opinion).

But let us not forget what Scandinavia was like (and still is) without the mass immigration of 'those brown people', it was an Aryan wet dream with everything for us and none for you. In many ways the modern Scandinavia is a hugely successful human accomplishment. While some people have less (of material things) many have had their lives improved enormously. For every "svarte neger" that hits the headlines as a rapist, 10000+ or more no longer have to live in poverty, in a war zone, under an oppressive regime. Shed a tear for the leftists who saw a way to make the world a better place one life at a time, made that happen with their country's wealth even at the expense (in limited financial terms) of some, and have created a positive liberal society striving to reach a worthwhile ideal. The old Sweden is dead, long live Sweden!

What the blogger fails to address (and I haven't read more than that one post) is how any of this affects him, why this means he has to go back to the US and why any of us should give a shit about his tabloid fueled opinion.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

sago wrote: post #9
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many points are exaggerated, but the immigration issue in Sweden is very real. It has gone completely off track. The thing is, you are not allowed to talk about it. People have lost their jobs doubting the official policy of unlimited immigration, which simply should not happen in a free country. Sweden currently spends half their health care budget on immigration costs. Of course the right wing will gain popularity,…

" Sweden currently spends half their health care budget on immigration costs." [citation needed] For example: http://economics.handels.gu.se/digitalAssets/1455/1455743_fr... directly contradicts your claim. I don't know enough to claim you're wrong. But the claim is rather extraordinary and sounds very much like common right-wing propaganda from other countries. So a good study would help.

I think it was in reference to a 2011 official statistic, but I have been unable to find the direct source, and the sources are all in Swedish. Sorry, should have hunted down the precise numbers before blurting them out!

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by Paul_S »

I don't agree with the author on almost anything but I wholeheartedly agree that voting with your feet is the only type of voting that brings immediate results.

Voting with your feet > voting with your wallet > voting though a ballot box every 5 years (you should still do that though as it costs you nothing!)

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#34

Post by mkohlmyr »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #20

Swede here – I don't agree with this post. He does bring up some very good point about the real estate situation though. I do, however, think that it's wrong to say that Stefan Löfven is a 'corrupt yokel'. He's been in a very hard situation politically, where he's been forced to rule as a minority. The opposition is doing everything they can to make sure that he looks incompetent as a leader, as it's basically ensuri…

They don't really have to try very hard. He comes across as deeply incompetent most chances he gets imho, he's been especially embarrassing in international circumstances. He should have gone the way of Juholt, if not for timing and a lack of decent alternatives.

I left Sweden 5 years ago and I more or less agree with the post. It seems to have some undertones i don't entirely appreciate but on the whole it should serve as a necessary reality check if taken with a pinch of salt. It brings up many points that are worth discussing at length but which are essentially verboten in Swedish society. Even if it does overstate or sensationalize somewhat.

I doubt he is leaving specifically because it has abandoned some socialist ideals. For me it has more to do with not wanting to be part of the mass delusion, not wanting to constantly fit your opinions to an ever narrowing hallway of acceptable ideas and speech (not because they couldn't but because they shouldn't have to). At least when you don't live there you don't have to see and live it day in and day out. If anything I have grown more fond of Sweden and the ideals it represents since moving, because I am not forced to come to terms with its realities on a daily basis.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by draugadrotten »

scdoshi wrote: post #28

the xenophobia in this rant basically amounts to "sweden for swedes", but it's more striking when you read this on the About page: Please note that I enforce a zero-tolerance policy towards racism, violence and extremist comments. Judging other people by the color of their skin is manifestly absurd. So please don’t submit such comments here Edit: removed some sarcasm

What is "sweden for swedes" to you? It sounds very much like the struggle of many other ethnic groups in the world. Kurdistan for Kurds, Israel for Jews, etc.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by jerf »

sfjailbird wrote: post #14
superplussed wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The once homogenous population has been forever altered by a rapid and massive addition of people from vastly different cultures and value-systems. 26,8% of the population is now foreign-born or with at least one foreign-born parent, and the national census bureau estimates that some 150 000 per year will arrive to the country of just 9,8 million residents. There simply is no possible way to absorb and assimilate su…

People here in Scandinavia are very worried because their cozy little village of a region is being infused with massively different cultures. Can't really blame them, and to be sure crime and social costs are higher as a result of immigration. That said, there is every reason to believe that these effects will diminish over time as immigrants start to integrate, even some beneficial effects are already showing. The p…

What a shocking expression of cultural imperialism and contempt. "Yes, your culture is being disrupted by massive immigration that I freely admit you can't assimilate very well, and is causing significant problems. But it's OK, go ahead and suffer through the negative effects that are frontloaded into your lifetime, because I'm sure that in a few generations, after you're dead, it will all work out."

Are you really surprised that with a pitch like that that Europeans aren't falling over themselves to shape up? Especially if they lack your great and frankly historically baseless belief that their culture and their children are guaranteed to have a place in it?

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by TorKlingberg »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #20

Swede here – I don't agree with this post. He does bring up some very good point about the real estate situation though. I do, however, think that it's wrong to say that Stefan Löfven is a 'corrupt yokel'. He's been in a very hard situation politically, where he's been forced to rule as a minority. The opposition is doing everything they can to make sure that he looks incompetent as a leader, as it's basically ensuri…

I'm Swedish too, and this is just a typical right-winger rant. I've been seeing these on the internet for 20 years now.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by vesinisa »

etiam wrote: post #3

Hyperbole. Some of the concerns are quite real but please don't mistake this for an accurate or balanced statement.

Totally agree. This is essentially a political rant about the politics of Sweden and as such pretty exaggarating. I don't quite understand why it's trending on HN.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by rmxt »

veeti wrote: post #30
scdoshi wrote: post #28

the xenophobia in this rant basically amounts to "sweden for swedes", but it's more striking when you read this on the About page: Please note that I enforce a zero-tolerance policy towards racism, violence and extremist comments. Judging other people by the color of their skin is manifestly absurd. So please don’t submit such comments here Edit: removed some sarcasm

Where is he "judging people by the color of their skin"? Exactly what is xenophobic in this post?

Did you miss these lines?

"Jihadist Trojan horses are flowing through the porous border along with the tens of thousands ID-less refugees. But what makes me the most pessimistic about Sweden’s future is how the social fabric itself has been undermined."

If the "social fabric" of a country amounts to it's prior ethnic homogeneity, then decrying it's unraveling amounts to being scared of people coming from the outside. People which, in the case of Sweden, also tend to have a darker skin tone than the average citizen 50 years ago. This, in conjunction with the suggestion that Muslim immigrants tend to be "Jihadist Trojan horses" makes it a very thinly veiled Islamophobic piece.

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