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Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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Google invested in SpaceX in order to fund this Internet satellite project.

Call me crazy, but wouldn't it make sense to have servers on the satellite? Solar energy + lower latency. Cooling is still a problem in vacuum though.

If you use regular hardware you'd have to worry about bits getting flipped by radiation, which could cause some big problems depending on what your server is doing. Unfortunately radiation-resistant hardware is super expensive (maybe not a problem) and super slow (probably a problem)

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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How far did you get? What went wrong? What sort of latency/bandwidth did you expect to achieve? Was it relaying via geosynch/higher orbit 'hubs' or peer to peer sideways routing?

We raised $1.6 B, received the largest spectrum allocation in the history of the world (1000 Megahertz, in the Ka band, available globally), and launched one test satellite. But, the biggest problem with these sorts of systems is that there is no MVP. Essentially everything has to work before anything can. Our design was for a network of Low Earth Orbit satellites, which would mean cellular-like latency. We were plan…

> no MVP

It seems there are still phases you could do. Instead of trying to bring up an entire constellation at once doing two-way communications covering the entire globe, you could start with just a few broadcast-only satellites. Not competitive with at my house in urban North America where wifi and LTE is ubiquitous, but that's never going to be your market anyway.

The receiver on the ground is going to have to be specialized hardware anyway, so build in a battery and a real time clock so it can wake itself up when one of the satellites is in range, and then record everything the satelite is transmitting. Send the entire contents of Wikipedia once a week, send technical manuals, send the week's news, Windows updates, Linux distros; the Internet is so ubiquitous these days but fast access to it is still elusive in remote parts of the world.

This wouldn't have been useful in 2000 but 15 years later, a box with an wifi access point and a 1 TB hard drive chock full of information that's relatively up to date?

Not as cool as "internet anywhere in the world", but a start. Phase in delayed 2-way communication next, reusing the physical antenna from version 1; adding more satellites as you go.

Of course, 15 years later, the cost of putting 1 kg in orbit has also shrunk, and having a WiFi-capable computer in my pocket to look up information on is "normal" - which wasn't so, 15 years ago.

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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The problem has to do with cross-section -- these satellites will each be small, a few hundred kilograms each. In comparison, cubesats are 1-3 kg, and big satellites, which are most of the existing ones, are a few tons of mass each. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome Also, with satellites at 1,100 km, they'll be above all the crap in LEO.

and solves the other problem of Big High internet, which is latency. At 1000km you could have single-hop round-trips in <10ms.

ah interesting. My main concern when reading this was latency, which has traditionally been crap with satellite ISP. In todays world i also feel that once you have a certain bandwidth (say 10-20Mbps) the benefits of a latency of So the latency being so much better with this (hopefully) excites me :)

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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If this were to ultimately succeed in cheap internet everywhere, it doesn't bode well for other projects like Google's Loon. https://www.google.com/loon/ Unless they can do it cheaper I suppose.

As mentioned up thread, the size of the ground-side antenna is likely to be the size of a full laptop, so not something handheld. So this project would provide the back bone, and the Project Loon balloons would provide the "last mile", as it were.

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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From the article: "SpaceX would need permission from countries to operate the service, a process that could be difficult, if not impossible." Yep. To operate in many countries an ISP has to block access to a lot of content. It differs greatly from country-to-country. Would they really get involved in that? That would mean taking orders from governments all over the world and implementing blocks per those orders. Or w…

I doubt he would, but just as a though exercise: What would happen if he started answering http requests from space for free? Would that be a crime?

Just turn the whole satellite cluster into a massive network of tor exit relays.

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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and solves the other problem of Big High internet, which is latency. At 1000km you could have single-hop round-trips in <10ms.

What is the orbit for current satellite ISPs?

Inmarsat's Global Xpress system is geostationary. http://www.inmarsat.com/service/global-xpress/

No specifics on the site about the exact altitude, but probably in order of those listed here.

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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If this were to ultimately succeed in cheap internet everywhere, it doesn't bode well for other projects like Google's Loon. https://www.google.com/loon/ Unless they can do it cheaper I suppose.

> A key employee leading Google Inc.'s efforts to beam Internet access from satellites has left the company and is now working closely with Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and its founder Elon Musk, according to people familiar with the matter. > When he left, Mr. Wyler took with him the rights to certain radio spectrum that could be used to provide Internet access http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-satellite-ex…

I don't have access to the article so I don't know if it addresses my question but... How in hell can a single employee "Take with him" the radio-electric spectrum allocation???

Re: Musk files to provide Internet service from space

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> A key employee leading Google Inc.'s efforts to beam Internet access from satellites has left the company and is now working closely with Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and its founder Elon Musk, according to people familiar with the matter. > When he left, Mr. Wyler took with him the rights to certain radio spectrum that could be used to provide Internet access http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-satellite-ex…

I don't have access to the article so I don't know if it addresses my question but... How in hell can a single employee "Take with him" the radio-electric spectrum allocation???

If you google "greg wyler" and then click the wsj link you can visit the full article.

But as to your question, it appears that he joined google from a company he founded that owned the rights, then left and took the rights with him and formed a new company to control the rights again.

> When he left, Mr. Wyler took with him the rights to certain radio spectrum that could be used to provide Internet access, according to a person familiar with the matter. The person said Mr. Wyler had formed a new venture, WorldVu Satellites Ltd., that designs satellite systems and controls the rights to that spectrum.

> Brian Holz and David Bettinger, who joined Google with Mr. Wyler from O3b Networks Ltd., also have left Google, according to the person familiar with the matter. O3b is a private satellite company founded by Mr. Wyler.

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