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Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by michaelmior »

compumike wrote: post #59
bryanlarsen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot Meld: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/meld/meld-a-perfect-mea... ($129 pre-order) To me, it looks the most compelling because it's both the cheapest and most versatile. I backed both Pantelligent & Meld. But if Meld would have kickstarted first, I wouldn't have backed Pantelligent.

Thanks for your support Bryan! Meld is certainly interesting; manufacturing is going to be a challenge for them with a lot of moving parts, but in any case, it may work for some soups/stews types of dishes, but it won't be compatible with most of Pantelligent recipes (asparagus, eggs, crepes, pancakes, bacon). And a Meld-style internal temperature probe alone would be significantly worse than Pantelligent for foods l…

I don't see how you can possibly just do feedback on the external temperature. How could you possibly guess if the meat is cooked through just based on the surface temperature? You really can't unless you make some assumptions on initial temperature and thickness at minimum.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by nathan_f77 »

This looks really awesome. I probably won't be an early adopter, but I'm definitely looking forward to more smart kitchen appliances. I just hope they can all work together. It's kind of stupid if my frying pan, oven, and fridge all have their own competing recipe apps and databases.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by lambdaelite »

compumike wrote: post #49

There's a market developing here within the "temperature controlled smart cooking" world, with the number of different engineering approaches growing rapidly. Y Combinator alone has funded three companies in this space already! Pantelligent (YC W13) - $199 - https://www.pantelligent.com/ - smart frying pan plus smartphone app. Recipes are smart software & give you instructions to adjust on the fly to provide perfect…

With the exception of the immersion circulator, I don't understand these devices. Can you help me understand?

I'm an experienced cook, so (again, with the exception of the immersion circulator) I'm not in the target market for these devices. I'm having trouble understanding the target market though. I was thinking that it was for inexperienced people who want to cook at home. When I play that scenario through my head, it doesn't completely work.

Take your salmon example: getting the pan to a good temperature and cooking the fish to the ideal temperature is not easy, so I can see how an inexperienced person could easily benefit from real-time temperature feedback. What I'm having trouble figuring out though, is that after gaining experience from cooking fish a few times, what's the benefit of the real-time temperature feedback? I guess the thing I'm wrestling with is that as one becomes more experienced, the value of these smart devices seems to rapidly diminish.

I don't intend this to be negative or harsh, so I hope it doesn't come across that way. I'm genuinely interested in the thinking behind this smart device trend. Hope you can share.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by DanBC »

outsidetheparty wrote: post #56

> Like cruise control on your car, June continually calculates the power needed to maintain a constant temperature So you say it has a thermostat in it, then? > Food cooks faster while using less energy than traditional ovens So you say it's a convection oven, then? > June sends you a push notification when your food is done. And you can customize your alerts so you aren’t disturbed you when you’re away from home. So…

> So you say I can disable the alert... that tells me dinner is ready... because I'm away from... um. Somebody didn't really think this one through, then?

Ann doesn't want alerts from her oven when she's away from home. Bob, who is at home, will still need to use the oven.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by dragonwriter »

outsidetheparty wrote: post #56

> Like cruise control on your car, June continually calculates the power needed to maintain a constant temperature So you say it has a thermostat in it, then? > Food cooks faster while using less energy than traditional ovens So you say it's a convection oven, then? > June sends you a push notification when your food is done. And you can customize your alerts so you aren’t disturbed you when you’re away from home. So…

> > Like cruise control on your car, June continually calculates the power needed to maintain a constant temperature

> So you say it has a thermostat in it, then?

Having a thermostat is not the same as continuously maintaining a constant temperature. Typical "dumb" ovens have thermostats, but they maintain a rough temperature by turning on, overshooting the target temperature, cutting the heat entirely, dropping substantially under the target temperature, and repeating that cycle.

> So you say I can disable the alert... that tells me dinner is ready... because I'm away from... um. Somebody didn't really think this one through, then?

There's often more than one person who lives in a home and may use an oven. Its quite possible for one of them to be away from home and not want notifications, while another is at home and using the oven.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by vengroff »

michaelmior wrote: post #61
compumike wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your support Bryan! Meld is certainly interesting; manufacturing is going to be a challenge for them with a lot of moving parts, but in any case, it may work for some soups/stews types of dishes, but it won't be compatible with most of Pantelligent recipes (asparagus, eggs, crepes, pancakes, bacon). And a Meld-style internal temperature probe alone would be significantly worse than Pantelligent for foods l…

I don't see how you can possibly just do feedback on the external temperature. How could you possibly guess if the meat is cooked through just based on the surface temperature? You really can't unless you make some assumptions on initial temperature and thickness at minimum.

You are correct. Initial internal temperature and geometry of the food are key inputs. Once you know these, simulation is possible, but it takes some work.

A few years ago I wrote an app called Sous Vide Dash that was initially targeted at professional level kitchens-and later white labeled by PolyScience, the leading provider of professional sous vide equipment. We did full thermodynamic simulation in that app, and modeled both temperature and pasteurization. To my knowledge it's still the only cooking app that has an embedded numerical solver for partial differential equations. In 2012 we won the StarChefs International Chefs Congress Innovator award for our work.

Popping back to the top of the stack, it's a very exciting time for precision cooking. As one of the founders of Meld, I can tell you there is a lot more to come.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by hipsterrific »

compumike wrote: post #49

There's a market developing here within the "temperature controlled smart cooking" world, with the number of different engineering approaches growing rapidly. Y Combinator alone has funded three companies in this space already! Pantelligent (YC W13) - $199 - https://www.pantelligent.com/ - smart frying pan plus smartphone app. Recipes are smart software & give you instructions to adjust on the fly to provide perfect…

I'm a software engineer and I took a total of two cooking courses and with lots of practice, I became a better cook.

$1500 is essentially a weekend cooking class...twice. Learning to cook was by far the most challenging yet the most fun I've ever had. With the exception of the immersion circulator (I own a Polyscience one), none of these things really help. If you want to be a good cook, learn to cook. I never understood the need for "smart" devices when cooking is largely based on experience. Sure, this oven will help me cook medium rare steaks well, but will it taste good? I make medium rare steaks on a frying pan and I can make it consistently well. Cooking is practice, it doesn't require some expensive device.

Re: June Intelligent Oven

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Post by rpcope1 »

zoba wrote: post #2

Any idea why an oven needs an "NVIDIA Tegra K1 with 2.3 GHz quad-core processor and 192 CUDA GPU cores"? Seems like overkill?

Came here to say, this seems like a job for a low power 16-bit or 32-bit MCU, probably not that Tegra chip. Or are we Bitcoin mining while we cook dinner?
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