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Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by V-2 »

jophde wrote: post #268
melling wrote: post #198

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Hey, look me up in a year and explain why you were wrong. Go has been out for 6 years and has less than 10,000 questions on StackOverFlow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/go Swift has 37,000 questions in its first year: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/swift I'm a fan of Go. I built my websites in it and I've written a few small apps. However, you really are overlooking how much of a difference the…

Why would I ever care about Go for Android when I can write apps in Kotlin? Kotlin is fully interoperable with Java. I don't have much experience with Swift but Kotlin is so nice. It has the best features from numerous languages such as Ruby. C#, etc. It's being made by Jetbrains who makes the the core of Android Studio so it will have support. Kotlin is also nearly as fast at runtime as Java with a tiny 200kb runtim…

Kotlin is positively awesome, but when I tried it (admittedly last year) it didn't seem ready for production yet. It worked all well as long as stuff was kept simple, then I used Realm.io, wrote some unit tests and got all sorts of NoClassDefFoundError exceptions, dexmaker errors etc. Long story short, I couldn't fix it. As I said, it's been a while. I hope things have been improving and continue to improve. The language itself is superb

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by Glide »

coldtea wrote: post #176
nickysielicki wrote: post #161

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Too little too late. Apple could have got my attention if they had done this from the start, but at this point I find it hard to get excited about this. Half the reason I find myself drawn to a new language is the culture and community surrounding it. You might think this seems silly at first glance, they're programming languages, not fraternities. But hear me out. Golang is a pragmatic crowd. Go into #go-nuts on fre…

> Too little too late. Apple could have got my attention if they had done this from the start, but at this point I find it hard to get excited about this. That's just like your opinion man. If Swift is Open Source it's gonna be a huge thing, for two reasons: (a) it already attracts millions of developers because it's the suggested language to develop iOS apps in, and (b) it's a nice modern language that plays in a ve…

It'll be interesting to see how effective how many people make that transition to server side development. I mean we now have node for server side after JS becoming ubiquitous because of web browsers.

And Swift doesn't have the stigma of being a "bad" language when compared to JS.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by abalone »

krschultz wrote: post #240
dmishe wrote: post #170

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So here's the thing. They will release Apple Music for Android... and there's full stdlib of Swift support for Linux? Could it be that the Android app is partly Swift?

I wouldn't read too much into that. Android ships with Bionic libc, which is different from the glibc that is usually shipped in a Linux distro. There are definitely some differences between the two. Plus the average Android app is very far from the average Linux app. If they were aiming at supporting Android, I think they would have said that instead of Linux.

The key word here is "partly" Swift. I would not put it past Apple to use an intermediary framework that hosts a Swift runtime and calls into native Android APIs. That keeps the non-UI logic in one codebase.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by zenocon »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #232
AlwaysBCoding wrote: post #134

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I think it's terrible. Parsing a JSON response into a Swift object takes a full-day to figure out when it's literally just JSON.parse(response) in any other language. You can't pass immutable structures (structs) into NSNotifications and I can't figure out why. It's confusing and poorly documented, and a complete chore to use. React Native is a godsend.

What on earth are you talking about? Parsing a JSON response in Swift is basically the same as it is in Objective C: let parsed: AnyObject? = NSJSONSerialization.JSONObjectWithData(data, options: NSJSONReadingOptions.AllowFragments, error:&parseError)

This is truly not meant to be a snarky comment, but why is it so overtly verbose? I left Java years ago b/c it was making my fingers arthritic it seems. It doesn't look like much fun. Sure, IDEs do autocomplete, but still requires parsing by the human eye.

I'm sure you get used to it. Every language looks horrible the first time, then you learn to live with it and maybe love it, but on first glance that looks pretty awful.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by bsimpson »

sjackso wrote: post #110
cpr wrote: post #11

Nice to see that Chris (Lattner) got his way. I chatted with him last WWDC right after the main Swift technical session, and he expressed the desire to open source it, but had no idea if he could get it through the powers that be. Supporting the standard libraries on Linux is certainly a surprise, though.

Supporting Linux is a surprise, but I think it's a great move on their part. Think: How many iOS apps are frontends to a server API? And how many of those APIs are running on Linux servers? Swift on Linux means ~all the code for a client-server iOS app can be written in the same language.

So we can start writing articles about isomorphic Swift!

...I'll show myself out.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by aikah »

alkonaut wrote: post #313
eatonphil wrote: post #308

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Just curious, why do you say that (about Go)?

It feels much too pragmatic for my taste. Exactly the kind of thing to come out of Google, to solve their type of problem (scalability, deployment are much more important than the code itself). Personally I don't have googles problems (few of us do!) and I really like a good type system, with algebraic types/pattern matching/generics

> It feels much too pragmatic for my taste

It doesn't feels pragmatic at all. It relies on users to do the compiler's job(type assertions) , because "You dont need that with Go"TM ...

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by ikawe »

melling wrote: post #242
nemothekid wrote: post #235

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OTOH There are 70k Go repos on GitHub vs 31k for Swift (vs ~5k for Rust) - https://github.com/search?l=go&q=stars%3A%3E-1&ref=searchres... - https://github.com/search?l=swift&q=stars%3A%3E-1&ref=search... - https://github.com/search?l=rust&q=stars%3A%3E-1&ref=searchr...

Swift repos will pass Go within 12 months. I think most iOS developers were holding off on Swift. Heck, Xcode and Swift, etc only became usable earlier this year.

Most people aren't writing open source iOS apps.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by wooster »

joshuak wrote: post #331
joshuak wrote: post #306

I am very much against the way Cocoa & Cocoa Touch work (a "ViewController" is NOT!!! a controller in the MVC sense), and Interface Builder makes me want to take a high powered rifle to Cupertino, but Swift is definitely a winner now that it's going open source. I rebuilt a dysfunctional OS X application that was ported from iOS (obj-c) from the ground up almost entirely in Swift last year, and really enjoyed working…

Haha, apparently down voters don't read entire messages. But yay last post! I win. :)

Threatening to kill people isn't funny.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Post by Lio »

opaque_salmon wrote: post #237
roneesh wrote: post #72

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I never considered this! But it's fun to think about! I'm a bit naive about the environments languages have to run in... but if we have a web app framework in Swift, Servers in swift (as mentioned in comments above), and iOS in swift, doesn't that make Swift a JS replacement too?

JavaScript's domain is mostly client side web browser scripting, and no language is close to throwing it off its throne. So no, JavaScript will always have its place.

ASM.js though makes languages with manual memory management relevant to web front-end work.

Hopefully, Swift might be a good candidate for fast browser code.

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