Ah, interesting. I've suddenly gone from "Not caring at all about the existence of this language" to "Mildly intrigued."
It's amazing what some opening of control will do.
“Swift will be open source later this year”
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Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”
#72Swift on Rails, who's first :) ? I suspect Heroku are working on preparing for an out of the box build pack, but I guess they don't have access yet since it's out late 2015. At least I hope so, looking for a better Ruby replacement but I still like Rails.
I never considered this! But it's fun to think about!
I'm a bit naive about the environments languages have to run in... but if we have a web app framework in Swift, Servers in swift (as mentioned in comments above), and iOS in swift, doesn't that make Swift a JS replacement too?
Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”
#73> Swift will be open source later this year, available for iOS, OS X, and Linux. They're doing Linux but not Windows? Is Windows not sufficiently important or maybe they just forgot to include Windows in the announcement?
They don't just forget stuff like that. It was probably way easier to do on Linux/Unix than Windows.
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#74Hmm they said they wanted Swift used everywhere for the next 20 years, they're going to make it open sourced and provide builds for iOS, Mac and Linux...but not Windows which is one of the largest operating systems in the world? I'm guessing they really don't want it used everywhere. Though knowing Microsoft they'll take Swift and implement support for it in Visual Studio.
Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”
#75> Swift will be open source later this year, available for iOS, OS X, and Linux. They're doing Linux but not Windows? Is Windows not sufficiently important or maybe they just forgot to include Windows in the announcement?
Maybe it is just because WINAPI is different from *nix.
Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”
#76Well whaddaya know, I like the direction this is going with both Apple and Microsoft.
The direction is great, I think this shows that closed source programming languages are now definitely a thing of the past.
However Apple has some catching up to do. Microsoft has opened .net to Apple platforms and is actively working on open source tools and language implementation for OSX. Apple did not announce Swift for Windows, so Swift will miss out on that part of the market until someone else picks this up.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
They haven't pulled it off yet. They've just finally stated that they intend to do so , not actually done it yet. Prior to this, they hadn't even said it was on the table. So, progress, but they still haven't pulled it off.
They said it will happen by the end of 2015.
Which is still not "pulling it off", which is my point.
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Open Source wins! Seriously can't tell you the fights just 8 years ago in conventions with hundreds of librarians where most of them thought Free Software was the devil and hackers all had the key to destroying anything Open Sourced. So can we finally say that Hell has Frozen Over? Microsoft Open Sources Parts of Visual Studio and releases Linux Software. Apple open sourced their language and it will work on Linux.
Open Source did not win. In fact it destroyed a lot of potential markets. With this move Apple is dragging more and more developers that would be interested in Go/ Java (aka Android world) to its net. This is a win for Apple only.
Wouldn't it be cool if Google picked up Swift as a possible language runtime for Android?
Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”
#79So ... what will they call the Swift MVC framework?
Swift on Stilts?
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Rust fills a slightly different niche with its safety-first principle, but Swift should eventually be a really attractive choice for anyone building cross-platform stuff that also needs to run on iOS.
Besides iOS/OSX support, what are Swift's features that make it interesting compared to other languages?
It is a multi-paradigm programming language with great tooling and corporate backing.
I can easily imagine Swift joining F# in terms of corporate adoption.