> The last time she showed signs of non-conformist behaviour, her husband consulted the community leaders. They sent her to see a mental health specialist, who medicated her. ‘The mental illness card has been used often in cases like mine,’ she wrote. She has since seen another mental health specialist; he gave her a clean bill of health. That is pretty brutal. "Mental health" was often used by opressive regimes to d…
It's more likely that he really did think she had a problem and was trying to help. Not that he was trying to abuse the medical system to get his way.
The double life of Hasidic atheists
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#22Heh he heh. In Russia, in sociological surveys there's this recurring result that 20-30% of those who say they are Orthodox Christian also say they don't believe in God. Another 20-30% don't believe in Heaven or Hell. Go figure what's in those people's heads.
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#23I find myself jealous of these people. For the price of a little hypocrisy, you get to be part of a very supportive community. You get structure for your life, a large number of social gatherings, and a big pool of potential friends and romantic partners. I almost considered going to church just for that reason (back when I was in college and friends with a lot of devout Christians), but I couldn't stomach the hypocr…
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#24I find myself jealous of these people. For the price of a little hypocrisy, you get to be part of a very supportive community. You get structure for your life, a large number of social gatherings, and a big pool of potential friends and romantic partners. I almost considered going to church just for that reason (back when I was in college and friends with a lot of devout Christians), but I couldn't stomach the hypocr…
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#25Heh he heh. In Russia, in sociological surveys there's this recurring result that 20-30% of those who say they are Orthodox Christian also say they don't believe in God. Another 20-30% don't believe in Heaven or Hell. Go figure what's in those people's heads.
It doesn't have to make sense.
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#26I find myself jealous of these people. For the price of a little hypocrisy, you get to be part of a very supportive community. You get structure for your life, a large number of social gatherings, and a big pool of potential friends and romantic partners. I almost considered going to church just for that reason (back when I was in college and friends with a lot of devout Christians), but I couldn't stomach the hypocr…
Churches aren't the only way to meet people. Festivals are great if you're in California; there's basically at least one a month if you're looking. If that's not your scene, there are tons of various meet-ups around. Not quite the same as religion, but some are really organized and dedicated.
Group exercise was my thing for a few years; cycling groups are great because you get to spend lots of time outside getting in [better] shape, and the people are generally friendly / interesting in my experience. Sailing is really fun too if you find the right club. "Yacht club" might not immediately sound like something you want to be involved in, but Cal Sailing Club at Berkeley marina, for example, is different. It's a co-op ($100 per quarter for membership, they have their own boats) with a really friendly and community-oriented atmosphere.
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#27One interesting thing is that even if they did tell people they were Atheist, but continued observing Judaism with action, nothing much would happen. They would not be shunned or anything. Judaism is much more concerned with actions than thought, it's also more concerned with this world than with heaven. There is a saying from the Talmud that "a person who acts without belief will eventually come to believe". Meaning…
This is at best an out of context understanding and at worst a complete distortion of the Jewish faith.
"Service of the heart" is the core obligation of Judaism. Every single morning and evening Jews say the Shma which states the primary commandment of Judaism is to "Love G-d with all your heart, all your soul(personality), and all your resources..."
Maimonides has his twelve tenants of faith, which are all about belief and not at all about action.
Love and Faith are about connecting with and understanding G-d.
All the actions and commandments are tools for reaching spiritual connection and understand G-d with more clarity.
It is almost entirely a spiritual based faith...
The quote you reference, which for the life of me, I cannot recall as being accurate...certainly only means that behavior can influence belief.
We can form habits by behaving a certain way and we can come to believe certain things that are consistent with our behavior...The idea that Judaism is more concerned with action over thought is patently FALSE!
That being said, you can make the argument that some Jews today are more concerned with aesthetics than with true belief...but that is a shortcoming in their faith, and hardly a representation of what Judaism or the Torah teaches.
All that being said, a well rounded, Torah observant Jew, regardless of their denomination will have a healthy balance of faith, moral compass, and action that leads to living an optimal, healthy, happy, meaningful life to the fullest.
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#28I find myself jealous of these people. For the price of a little hypocrisy, you get to be part of a very supportive community. You get structure for your life, a large number of social gatherings, and a big pool of potential friends and romantic partners. I almost considered going to church just for that reason (back when I was in college and friends with a lot of devout Christians), but I couldn't stomach the hypocr…
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#29I find myself jealous of these people. For the price of a little hypocrisy, you get to be part of a very supportive community. You get structure for your life, a large number of social gatherings, and a big pool of potential friends and romantic partners. I almost considered going to church just for that reason (back when I was in college and friends with a lot of devout Christians), but I couldn't stomach the hypocr…
Sounds like the Unitarian Universalists to me.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more likely that he really did think she had a problem and was trying to help. Not that he was trying to abuse the medical system to get his way.
It's doubtful that a person in a position of that power and responsibility is that stupid.