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Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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Summing up: Apple's good pay, benefits and soaring stock.

If anything, an employee could just move to a company with better perks.

Instead, their ambition and motivation appears to be large enough to accept smaller salaries and benefits to start their own company.

Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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post #9

Like others, I'm not sure that Apple has spawned few startups. The evidence here is weak. Apple's innovations have been primarily about hardware design. I would think there are many fewer hardware startups than software startups due to the amount of capital required to build hardware. It might be more apropos to compare the number of startups from other hardware companies (Intel, Nvidia, TI, HP, Sun).

Still, don't they employ something like 100k software engineers?

Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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post #12
post #9

Like others, I'm not sure that Apple has spawned few startups. The evidence here is weak. Apple's innovations have been primarily about hardware design. I would think there are many fewer hardware startups than software startups due to the amount of capital required to build hardware. It might be more apropos to compare the number of startups from other hardware companies (Intel, Nvidia, TI, HP, Sun).

Still, don't they employ something like 100k software engineers?

Not really, most of their workforce are "geniuses" and the like

Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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(I really hope I don’t offend any Apple people saying this)

My impression, which comes from meeting a handful of Apple employees and several friends who took jobs and later left, is that the culture of Apple is that of “show up, do good work, cash the paycheck, and go home to your family.”

It is not one of “Let’s conquer the world and become bazillionairres while we’re at it” — the Google culture — which is more prone to eventually jumping ship and creating a startup.

I could be totally wrong about this.

Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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Maybe another reason why Apple spawned comparatively few startups might be that some of the areas of expertise for Apple and their employees are harder to do in startup-sized companies; namely hardware engineering and mass manufacturing innovation.

Apple does a lot of work in hardware and hardware manufacturing, both areas which are pretty capital-intensive and might not lead themselves as easily to the startup world.

Say, you are an Apple engineer working on the Ax chips for the next iPhone and have an idea for something great in CPU design, you cannot exactly rent a scalable 14nm chip fab from AWS to try to build it on your own and sell it market.

Re: Why Has Apple Spawned So Few Startups?

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A non-techies idea of innovative might not match startup ideas of innovation. Or rephrased apple-scale innovation might not scale down to startup-scale innovation. Total amount of innovation (for the sake of argument, big) divided by number of employees (staggering) equals not innovative on average and even the outliers will also suffer. Its a mindcrime to say it in public, but if some successful companies are innova…

Innovation in the context of big companies is a far different and more subtle thing than innovation in a startup context. A lot of the innovation large companies do is never really seen--not even in the sense that it isn't customer impacting, but rather in the sense that you never see the innovation that goes into simple functions that you take for granted.

For instance, Apple is immensely innovative in terms of designing manufacturing processes. Do you see the results? You might notice that Apple products have more fit and finish, but the results are measured in millimeters at most. The end result is not as earthshaking as a whole new product category would be.

Even more striking is any large web property. Any idiot could write a working version of Twitter, Amazon, StackExchange, or maybe even YouTube in a week. Scaling these to actually work at scale takes immense levels of innovation. But if you use these sites every week since they have been launched, you might not see any of that.

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