Java: Real or Not?

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Post by mechazawa » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 4:49 PM UTC

Re: Java: Real or Not?

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Post by ibejoeb » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

It's been a few years since I've seriously used Spring, but I when I did, I used the hell out of it. I'm pretty surprised by how many times I was fooled.

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Post by lkrubner » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:07 PM UTC

"The principle of least surprise" is sadly missing from this API.

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Post by overgard » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

It never hurts to study the masters in serious enterprise software: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

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Post by mkozlows » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

It's not surprising that a Markov chain could put together plausible sounding class names, because yeah, there are definitely patterns that class names fall into.

What's surprising is that one third of the names it's showing me are actually real. I mean, "MetaMetaContextHierarchyConfig" actually exists?

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Post by McGlockenshire » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:22 PM UTC

mkozlows wrote: post #5

It's not surprising that a Markov chain could put together plausible sounding class names, because yeah, there are definitely patterns that class names fall into. What's surprising is that one third of the names it's showing me are actually real. I mean, "MetaMetaContextHierarchyConfig" actually exists?

> I mean, "MetaMetaContextHierarchyConfig" actually exists?

Apparently.

https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework/blob/mas...

"Custom context hierarchy configuration annotation that is itself meta-annotated with MetaContextHierarchyConfig"

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Post by clamprecht » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:24 PM UTC

Are you calling the Spring developers Markov chains?

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Post by elevensies » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:38 PM UTC

Are the generated names verified to be non-real? There could be some overlap.

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Post by 10098 » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:41 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #4

It never hurts to study the masters in serious enterprise software: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

Only 85% coverage? Tsk tsk tsk...

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Post by gfodor » Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 6:42 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #4

It never hurts to study the masters in serious enterprise software: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

This is great but it brings up a serious question I've always had. Taken to the extreme, things like the single responsibility principal, the open closed principal, etc, result in messes like this. I've been wondering if anything has been written around a concrete methodology of doing OOP that doesn't naturally converge onto something like this, and why it happens.