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Millionaires Who Are Frugal When They Don't Have to Be

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Its important to have a spouse who has a similar desire for sensible frugality. The level of income is less important than simply living below your means for your whole life. With prudent financial planning, compound interest and the passage of time achieves the level of wealth described in the article. Indeed car purchases are a good indicator. An omission of the article is that often frugal persons are generous to…

Compound interest? Where? The interest rates are such that inflation would destroy whatever gain you have. Nearly all savings accounts are paying an annual yield of less than 1%! That means WITH compounding, you're looking at a 1% or lower gain. Inflation is typically between 1-4%, with 2% being the benchmark in terms of financial planning, though admittedly in April, we had slightly negative inflation, but that tren…

I agree with vasco that 12% is a very large expectation for compound interest. In the early-retirement community 7% (before inflation) is a good benchmark over long periods of time.

However, your tax assumptions are probably too high for the current environment. If you earn 100k gross, but max out your 401k and HSA, your net income after taxes will be close to 60k, but you'll already be saving 20k+ pre-tax.

Yes, you'll have to pay taxes on the 401k when you reach retirement, but if you're living frugally and only taking out a small amount, your tax obligations will be way less than 35%. Without breaking a sweat, my effective tax rate is under 16% and I'm in the range described.

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The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

You have some good points here but keep in mind that some of the things you mention (health care, education, etc..) are very US-centric and far less of an issue in other places such as Europe.

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The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

Good post. One nit tho:

> - if your child gets an expensive health problem like leukemia or spouse gets cancer, your medical bills could blow past the lifetime cap of the health insurance policy

The lifetime cap was one of the things eliminated by Obamacare afaik.

Re: Millionaires Who Are Frugal When They Don't Have to Be

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The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

At $10m you can comfortably buy a Ferrari without losing sleep over it (except in anguish that it might be stolen, or damaged).

But: between being frugal and buying an overly expensive toy car, there's a lot of space. At $10m, you can spend $20k every month and it'll last you forever if you invest the rest in index funds at 3% or so. So a frugal lifestyle is uncalled for at that point, unless it's your personal way to obtain happiness.

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post #15

The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

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Re: Millionaires Who Are Frugal When They Don't Have to Be

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless it's an ipo an "investment" or exchange of stocks for money on a stock market is simply just a trade among shareholders that generates zero GDP. It does go back into the economy and thus circulates. Dividends is wealth generated by laborers and taken by shareholder owners. Sitting on stocks and eating up dividends while contributing no work of your own does not cause money to circulate through the economy in a…

Repeat after me: Money is not wealth. Money is not wealth. What you spend your money on is wealth. Sitting on a number in a computer file does not cause inequality.

hey buddy. Repeat after me. Money is wealth. Money is wealth.

When you spend your money on wealth, you are doing a trade or an exchange. Wealth for wealth. If money isn't wealth, why the hell would anyone give it away in exchange for empty paper? They don't. Because money is wealth. That's why when people have lots of it, we call them "wealthy"

Re: Millionaires Who Are Frugal When They Don't Have to Be

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless it's an ipo an "investment" or exchange of stocks for money on a stock market is simply just a trade among shareholders that generates zero GDP. It does go back into the economy and thus circulates. Dividends is wealth generated by laborers and taken by shareholder owners. Sitting on stocks and eating up dividends while contributing no work of your own does not cause money to circulate through the economy in a…

mm tried to run a business with out access to capital. Your being very naïve.

Good for you. How does you running a business without access to capital make me naive? Doesn't that make you niave?

Re: Millionaires Who Are Frugal When They Don't Have to Be

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post #15

The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

I think there's a big difference between being frugal and cheap, and it somewhat has to do with personal style and creativity. Somebody with no taste and a need to show off might require a $300k super car because they feel like that's what millionaires do. But you can get an amazingly awesome vintage sports car for $60k or less. The same could be said for houses, vacations or anything else, you don't have to spend the maximum amount possible to get something fantastic. But you also don't have to live like a cheapskate in order to preserve your wealth.

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When I read this article few minutes ago I found the following phrases and quotes defining the characters of these people and justifying their acts- ...“It’s (money) an important tool. They don’t neglect it, but they also don’t worship it.”... ...“Part of this pressure to keep going is less about greed and more about insecurity that might be self-imposed,” ... ...“It’s about paying attention to what makes you happy a…

Every one of those quotes is portraying selfishness. Why should anyone discuss those points? They don't have long-term value to anyone else.

I would very much like to know how not-worshipping-money, less-greed, less-materialism are the elements of selfishness rather than of selflessness?

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post #15

The millionaires at $1m to $10m absolutely DO have to be "frugal" if we use define "frugal" to be about "smart spending" as opposed to fishing pennies out of public fountains. The word "million" is deceptive because it is an amount beyond what 99% have. It makes it seem like some mind boggling amount of money but mathematically, it really isn't that much. A person classified as "millionaire" could be tagged that beca…

Do people with millions of dollars in networth even think about T-bills?

Genuinely curious.

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