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Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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I'll bite. We measure calories in food by burning it in a lab and calculating the exact energy given off. Very precise. What we don't measure is how many pieces of that cob of corn I ate for dinner will pass through to my stool. And I'll accept the comment that activities burn calories at predictable rates (they don't across populations -- look at exercise adaptation) but they can per individual. But treating the con…

All correct, agreed. What it means is, there is some level of exercise that will consume enough calories to exhaust ready supply. Then weight loss occurs. The silliness begins when folks start to bargain. How little exercise can I get away with? How can I eat a lot and not gain weight? Its this lazy concern that occupies everybodys thoughts and behaviors. They write whole books about it. When in fact, if they'd get o…

Exercise is great and all, but diet is faaaaaar more important for weight loss.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

#222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. We measure calories in food by burning it in a lab and calculating the exact energy given off. Very precise. What we don't measure is how many pieces of that cob of corn I ate for dinner will pass through to my stool. And I'll accept the comment that activities burn calories at predictable rates (they don't across populations -- look at exercise adaptation) but they can per individual. But treating the con…

All correct, agreed. What it means is, there is some level of exercise that will consume enough calories to exhaust ready supply. Then weight loss occurs. The silliness begins when folks start to bargain. How little exercise can I get away with? How can I eat a lot and not gain weight? Its this lazy concern that occupies everybodys thoughts and behaviors. They write whole books about it. When in fact, if they'd get o…

From personal experience, and this was some years ago, I've found that on a high carb, high fat diet e.g. breakfast: beans, bacon, eggs, toast. lunch: sandwich with deli meat, cheese, mayo. supper: bread, veg, and meat, plus a few cups of coffee and a beer thrown in caused pretty rapid weight gain (30lbs.) with what I would call a normal amount of activity, walking a reasonable distance to and from work, intentional exercise 2 - 3 times per week, some activity on the weekends but the rest of the time spent at a desk or on a couch.

After taking a summer job doing manual labour that involved constant, intense activity (lots of shovelling, sweeping, lifting, walking, pushing and pulling) from 8 AM to 1 PM every day I saw a complete reversal in weight while maintaining the same diet.

So from my own experience, it is absolutely possible to eat a fairly heavy diet and lose weight. It all depends on balancing your intake with the amount of energy you consume during the day. The only problem is that it takes a lot of heavy physical work to use those calories and the exercise regimen that most people assume comes no where near to what it takes to use up the amount they take in.

As far as quitting before you actually really start exercising, there was a good quote by Muhammad Ali circulating the other day [1] "I don't count my sit-ups. I only start counting when it starts hurting. That is when I start counting, because then it really counts. That's what makes you a champion."

[1] https://i.imgur.com/ylOAYnR.jpg

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

Soylent is much cheaper if you make it yourself. It's only expensive if you buy it pre-made.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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For one, there will be a fiber deficiency if you stick with Soylent only. It's like juicing every day - strip fruits of most of the fiber, release immediate sugar into blood and welcome diabetes with open arms! The whole concept of Soylent feels to me like a typical reductionist approach - let's mix some stuff together and all will be good. It's like trying to control your weight by calories - calories are the roughe…

>It's like trying to control your weight by calories - calories are the roughest, least precise way to decide what you need to eat >Please people, do your research You're being contradictory here. Your body obeys the laws of physics. Losing weight is LITERALLY calories in Being healthy and losing weight are two different things that often overlap. >(are you literally burning your food in fire when you digest it?) Wha…

You're assuming it's easy to measure "calories out."

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

Late reply... can you estimate the number of hours per week you put into planning, shopping, cooking, and cleanup? If so, and if you can you assign a $ value to that time, it would be an interesting exercise to compare such _total_ costs (averaged per meal) versus the same calculation using Soylent.

I would suppose (based on doing 50% Soylent for a few months) that for an all-Soylent diet, planning and shopping time goes to zero, "cooking" time to 5 min/day (to shake up one bag in the pitcher), cleanup to near-zero (put glass in the sink). Very possibly the reduction in time, valued in dollars, makes Soylent cheaper.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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post #221

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All correct, agreed. What it means is, there is some level of exercise that will consume enough calories to exhaust ready supply. Then weight loss occurs. The silliness begins when folks start to bargain. How little exercise can I get away with? How can I eat a lot and not gain weight? Its this lazy concern that occupies everybodys thoughts and behaviors. They write whole books about it. When in fact, if they'd get o…

Exercise is great and all, but diet is faaaaaar more important for weight loss.

Indeed, this chart shows caloric burn for various activities, the body is very efficient:

http://www.thehealthyeatingguide.com/calorie-burning-chart/

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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I have Soylent for around 40% of meals. I know it's more expensive than my regular diet, but it's quick and healthy food. Of course you can argue that your meals are very low effort, but even just grocery shopping and planning meals is something I'm happy I don't have to do now. It makes my life simpler and more enjoyable and that's worth the price to me.

I haven't seen any compelling evidence that Soylent is healthy, given that there are not even agreed upon RDA for most nutrients or macro nutrients.

By healthy I mean that for lunch everyday I have 500 calories of something nutritious. This is more healthful than going our for lunch and overeating or grabbing fast food. I might be setting the bar pretty low there, but that was often my habit. Given that it's the habit of of about 80% of my co-workers I don't think that's too out of the ordinary.

I agree with you though, it does concern my that I'm eating powder for 2 meals per day and that might not go well for me in the long term.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

I upvoted you because I agree that it is actually pretty easy to eat healthily for pretty cheap if you are willing to manage it correctly. I will say that you seem to have a surprising low daily caloric intake, though. I have a high metabolism, but sit in front of computer all day and I still need 2500 calories/day to maintain my weight.

At rough estimate, like half the calories most people need: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+cup+oatmeal+%2B+1+tbs...

scaled to the 2000'calories in soylent: 2000/951*$6.20 = $13.04 or 43% more expensive than soylent's $9.11.

shopping and cooking and eating and cleaning for this must take at least around 1/2 hour - hour each day (compared to about 5 minutes for soylent) equals about 3-6% of your waking hours.

Also, for the first time in my adult life, I'm pretty well prepared for natural disaster. before I would only keep a couple days of food in my apt and a lot of that needed refrigeration or cooking. Now I have a couple of weeks worth at the ready.

I think, though that the value prop probably makes far more sense for single people without children. For them, preparing food is far less efficient and they have to coordinate their eating with others less often. Also, it probably makes less sense if your employer provides you with free meals.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, there will be a fiber deficiency if you stick with Soylent only. It's like juicing every day - strip fruits of most of the fiber, release immediate sugar into blood and welcome diabetes with open arms! The whole concept of Soylent feels to me like a typical reductionist approach - let's mix some stuff together and all will be good. It's like trying to control your weight by calories - calories are the roughe…

>It's like trying to control your weight by calories - calories are the roughest, least precise way to decide what you need to eat >Please people, do your research You're being contradictory here. Your body obeys the laws of physics. Losing weight is LITERALLY calories in Being healthy and losing weight are two different things that often overlap. >(are you literally burning your food in fire when you digest it?) Wha…

I'll hop in, though I'm likely to regret this. Note that I am not only replying to the parent comment here, but also addressing the general conversation descending.

The primary disconnect I see in this sort of disagreement about the importance of calories is what we count as "calories in" and what we count as "calories out". The calories listed on nutrition labels are determined by burning a sample of food in a bomb calorimeter. Since our body does not reach the efficiency of a bomb calorimeter, calories consumed through oral or intravenous ingestion will overstate the number of calories that are used by the human body calories in The nutrition label gives us an upper limit of what we can consider calories in, but does not, on its own, give us an actual value for this measure.

The other side of the disconnect is how we measure calories out. Some people consider only energy expenditure, or how many calories ingested are turned into energy for useful work in the body. Some may also consider those calories utilized for structural purposes. Protein does not necessarily get utilized for energy; in fact it is the least desirable energy source of the three macronutrients. Some may also consider the caloric value of excrement for measurement of calories out.

So calories in can be calories ingested, or calories "processed" (here loosely defined as anything that doesn't pass straight through to stool or urine). Calories out can be calories utilized for useful work, or anything that exits the body, as energy/heat or excrement.

Here alone we have enough for significant confusion among reasonable people depending on which definition they are using.

I hope this helps those involved in the conversation to clarify what they mean and consider that their conversation partner may be less of a moron than they assume.

Add to this that the only piece of this that we can accurately measure across populations is gross calories ingested, and there is a lot of room for reasonable people to disagree on a "healthy intake".

Please note: I am trying to be neutral in this comment, and to only help shed some light on where we find confusion in words. I am explicitly not making an argument for or against any specific interpretation of these words. If you choose to take issue with any inferred stake I hold, have fun. I am perfectly happy to consider discussion on the potential for confusion in the words we use when discussing the issue of caloric intake, though.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

Food is super dead cheap to produce, In most places the bulk of cost of food is transportation and profits accounted for every level in the chain of exchange of goods between farmer and the consumer.

This is largely true in poor and developing countries. The food prices go up when fuel prices go up. I don't see this change even in the case of Soylent.

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