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Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

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That's what I'm trying to figure out. $600k salary+bonuses is C-level executive territory. The idea of an engineer making that kind of money in straight compensation sounds ludicrous to me. If it's in the form of options, you'll forgive me if I treat that as pretend money until it's transformed into real wealth.

600k including bonuses. Vested RSU bonuses. So real cash in hand. And those usually keep replenishing over time so after an initial delay it's compensation.

Ah, so base salary plus vested options, aka handcuffs.

And you're getting, on average, what, 400-500k a year in RSUs vesting?

Am I wrong is that basically bonkers as far as compensation goes? That feels at least a few standard deviations outside the mean... Which is great for you, and congratulations!

But "win the lottery" doesn't make for very compelling early retirement advice. :)

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#182

Here are a few ideas: - Selling enterprise software (you can make 10%-20% of an 8 or 9 figure deal) - Selling securities in some form or another (you make ~5% of deals worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars) - high leverage consulting (solving very hard tech problems for lots of people. for example: I have a friend who helps a whole bunch of computer vision companies and makes a ton. Another friend is an S…

Just to add to this brilliant idea of selling--

Sales/Business Development executives are generally the best compensated in most companies. You may recoil at the thought of something smarmy like sales. However, there is an learned art to the process when done well. And leveraging your background on the software development side could prove a huge competitive advantage. Buyers will see you as the Real Deal.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

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I worked with a test engineer at Microsoft who started in 1999, which was after the get-rich-on-stock-options days at the company. He spent 15 years living below his means, and recently retired from the tech world forever. He didn't need any tricks or secrets to pull it off, just living frugally and saving tons of money. I suspect I'm way behind him despite earning more and even having a wife who used to earn a softw…

You may be interested in earlyretirementextreme.com which details how to do exactly what your friend did.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I'm trying to figure out. $600k salary+bonuses is C-level executive territory. The idea of an engineer making that kind of money in straight compensation sounds ludicrous to me. If it's in the form of options, you'll forgive me if I treat that as pretend money until it's transformed into real wealth.

600k including bonuses. Vested RSU bonuses. So real cash in hand. And those usually keep replenishing over time so after an initial delay it's compensation.

That's alot of vested bonuses! Is this fintech?

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#185

It really depends on skill and motivation. If your motivation is only money you are unlikely to succeed. Personally I am a big corp dev and making >600k/year on track to retire at 40. But you do not get there by trying for the salary. Try to be good, no exceptional, at what you do. Become valuable and you will be paid. But your motivation should be your craft and not money. I believe the same applies for startup foun…

Is the $600k salary, bonuses, stock options or? Sounds quite incredible to me. I haven't heard from any dev making this kind of salary, not even in the big companies.

There are people at Google making > $1M a year if you include RSUs.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

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post #63

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If what you say is true about your own situation, you must realize that you are an extreme outlier, and no general advice you give is going to allow someone to repeat your immense luck. "Be valuable and you will be paid" sounds like vague happy-talk, not concrete, repeatable steps that one can put into practice and replicate your success. Most people who are "exceptional at what they do" are putzing around at a corpo…

No, being motivated by money is likely to make you less wealthy, because it leads you to the same behaviors as other people seeking money. You are then competing with them, which lessens your likelihood of success. Read Peter Thiel's Zero to One. He talks about competition vs. monopoly. You want to do things that other people aren't doing. He talks about the Harvard MBA grads who chase the last bubble, i.e. getting y…

I admire these guys, but the probability of getting rich by going into banking or consulting or big law, for example, is quite high compared to almost any other career.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#187
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you say is true about your own situation, you must realize that you are an extreme outlier, and no general advice you give is going to allow someone to repeat your immense luck. "Be valuable and you will be paid" sounds like vague happy-talk, not concrete, repeatable steps that one can put into practice and replicate your success. Most people who are "exceptional at what they do" are putzing around at a corpo…

No, being motivated by money is likely to make you less wealthy, because it leads you to the same behaviors as other people seeking money. You are then competing with them, which lessens your likelihood of success. Read Peter Thiel's Zero to One. He talks about competition vs. monopoly. You want to do things that other people aren't doing. He talks about the Harvard MBA grads who chase the last bubble, i.e. getting y…

I admire these guys, but the probability of getting rich by going into banking or consulting or big law, for example, is quite high compared to almost any other career.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#188

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As pointed out, get straight in your head the difference between "wealth" and "rich". "Wealthy" means you can do all the things you like to do all the time, "rich" means you have a big number in an account with one or more financial institutions. Most folks I know in the bay area don't want to "retire" what they want is to work on what ever their passion leads them too without worrying that if it isn't paying them an…

>> If you work at a large tech firm and participate in their employee stock purchase program and/or get stock options, then you are doubly leveraged as that can add a nice kicker to your salary. Normally this is OK, but can be a concentration of risk if all your wealth is tied up in salary from your employer and stock from your employer. Ask Lehmans employees.

Not true since you can sell the stock as soon as it is vested.

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#189

Here are a few ideas: - Selling enterprise software (you can make 10%-20% of an 8 or 9 figure deal) - Selling securities in some form or another (you make ~5% of deals worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars) - high leverage consulting (solving very hard tech problems for lots of people. for example: I have a friend who helps a whole bunch of computer vision companies and makes a ton. Another friend is an S…

Can I get the contact info for your SEO expert friend?

Re: Beside a startup, what are the other ways to significant wealth for a dev?

#190
post #61

I am with a small company focused on compilers and managed runtimes (JVM), and I can tell you that _good_ compiler consultants are in high demand. For instance, I had a discussion with a CEO of such specialized consultancy looking for GCC specialists last year, and he said that LLVM engineers are even harder to come by. I also see processor startups popping up all the time that need compiler/tools engineers badly. Ov…

Can you specify what do you mean with "_good_ compiler consultants"? It doesn't look like the guy who tunes the configuration of the runtimes right? Perhaps someone that writes and modifies the source of a compiler for a special set-up?

I mean someone who can build support for your shiny new language and/or instruction set into GCC or LLVM and get their pull request accepted by the maintainers.
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