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How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

I spend at least 3x that

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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I tried soylent for a while and found the experience fairly unpleasant. I switched to http://www.mealsquares.com/ instead. Warmed up, they taste like a dense brownie. The thinking detailed on their website and the level of care that clearly went into choosing a safe recipe gives me a lot more confidence than soylent did eg > First, there's nothing especially risky or unusual in MealSquares; they're made from a broad…

Mealsquares is probably healthier, but it's also much more expensive at $20 for 2,000 calories, vs $9 for Soylent. They're priced like energy bars (Clif bars, probars etc.).

It's 90 dollars for 30 squares. That's 133.33 cals/dollar, or 15 dollars / 2000 calories.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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I upvoted you because I agree that it is actually pretty easy to eat healthily for pretty cheap if you are willing to manage it correctly. I will say that you seem to have a surprising low daily caloric intake, though. I have a high metabolism, but sit in front of computer all day and I still need 2500 calories/day to maintain my weight.

Yeah my roommate has commented on this as well. I'm thinking of adding in more nuts and other calorically dense foods. I've only been doing this for a few months so it's a bit of an experiment.

you probably just have a low natural appetite but most people need far, far more fat in order to feel satisfied and not crave food all day and binge on crap later.

nuts work great, but my personal favorite fat-booster is eggs, followed by lots of olive oil.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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My argument can't be aimed at fast food because most people find that it tastes nice. You could indeed make a different argument based on price and health against it. The point of my argument is that you don't need to choose between healthy and fast (Soylent), or tasty and fast (fast food), or healthy and tasty (elaborate home cooking). With just a little bit of know-how and practice you can have all three. I'm not t…

> Unless you eat 100% Soylent you are not going to save much time on grocery shopping because you have to go to the supermarket anyway That's not really true. We're finding that our grocery bills have been cut quite a bit and the amount of ingredients we keep around (especially quick to prepare stuff) has basically gone to zero. Prep-time is virtually zero and cleanup time is rinsing the container when it's empty --…

You're right, I can't come up with a single meal that is as nutritious and balanced as one serving of Soylent. The thing is that unlike with Soylent you're not eating the exact same meal every time. If there's one thing we've learned the last couple of years it's that a lot of food science is bogus, and that we really don't know much about nutrition. The safe thing to do is to eat a large variety of foods. Is it safe to eat Soylent every day or almost every day? Maybe. Is it healthier than eating a different reasonably healthy meal every day? Unlikely. Consider the reports by people who have flatulence, food nightmares, extreme craving of certain foods. That last point is likely an indication that your body is missing something. Maybe not all humans work well on exactly the same diet, but it depends on their genetics and activities. Our body gives us feedback about what it needs needs by making us crave certain foods. Most people also start to crave variety after eating the same food for several days, even if they do like that food. I think there's a reason for that. So here's the value proposition that I see:

1. It's quite likely less healthy than eating a variety of foods. 2. It tastes bad. 3. It saves 10 minutes per day.

How much time do you spend maintaining your garden?

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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I tried Soylent 1.4 for four days (one meal per day - eased into it). I had incredibly bad headaches. I felt weird , like my vision was impacted. It felt like I was getting a fever, even, although I wasn't. I've never had a "food" have such an immediate, negative impact on me. And it tasted pretty bad. Even if they describe it as "neutral," or like pancake batter, that's not exactly a good experience. Unfortunately,…

1.4 tastes terrible. I've been using it, but I've developed a very specific ritual for making it palatable, and it's still not an enjoyable experience.

If 1.5 is anywhere near as tasty as 1.3, then I strongly recommend that you give it another try. You might be able to buy some from Craigslist or something? I don't know if that's still a thing.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The value prop that people will save money is kind of funny to me. My diet: Breakfast: Oatmeal, honey, cinnamon $0.20 Lunch: Large Salad(spinach, carrot, tomato, cucumber, mushroom, bell pepper, sometimes almonds) $2.50 Dinner: Steamed Veggies and Seared Tilapia (kale, carrot, tomato, capers, tilapia) $3.50 If people just budged properly they would be fine. That being said, I'm curious to try soylent and have purchas…

What's your hourly wage? Don't forget an hour of your time! Not saying that makes it impractical to cook your own food, but we can't act like the only cost in making dinner is the raw materials. As an aside, it's pretty difficult to maintain those price levels if you'd like to eat more than oatmeal, spinach salad, and tilapia every day.

sometimes hn can feel like the cheapskate olympics.

i'll easily spend $100 on a trip to the store when i buy high quality pastured eggs, organic protein, local olive oil, fresh vegetables, CHEESE, etc.

sometimes i'll even splurge, and get an overpriced sandwich! can you imagine??? pre-made food... so irresponsible.

i don't go into work every day so i can live like a college student on dry goods and roughage.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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The controversy I refer to is over whether the 1500mg-2300mg range is sensible. If you trust the IOM guidelines, that's fine, but my own reading of primary-source research has come up with nothing but null results and my personal experience has been that more is needed.

there is a lot of literature about how much sodium is too much, it's much harder to find minimum values: I personally due to health issues am on an extremely low sodium diet (< 500mg/day, usually around 400mg) and have been for over two years with apparently no ill effects, but then again my wife seems to not do very well if she goes under 1500, I guess we're all different (which would make it nice for soylent to com…

> there is a lot of literature about how much sodium is too much

Is there? I remember reading an article a while back saying that all those claims turned out to be based on a handful of flawed studies, and that for healthy people there is no problem with any halfway reasonable amount of salt intake as long as you drink enough.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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So you know better than the NHS, the people who set the guidelines in the US, etc ...? Yes, but it exceeds the total daily allowance for the NHS, the US equivalent, etc. There is literally no one that says "Everyone should eat 30g of saturated fat a day"

I don't understand the saturated fat hate. Cultures have existed that have gotten 50% or higher of their total calories from nearly pure animal fat sources. Eskimos (or is the politically correct term Inuit or something else now?) lived on blubber, and only started experiencing the whole heart disease/obesity epidemic when switched to a more "conventional" grain-heavy diet. I wouldn't trust the USDA to tell me what t…

...you mean the people that lived 10+ years less than everyone else, even in the modern era? That is the lifestyle you want to emulate?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/12/18/inuit_life_exp...

Okay. Enjoy.

Re: How Soylent Ships a Trillion Calories per Month

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> Unless you eat 100% Soylent you are not going to save much time on grocery shopping because you have to go to the supermarket anyway That's not really true. We're finding that our grocery bills have been cut quite a bit and the amount of ingredients we keep around (especially quick to prepare stuff) has basically gone to zero. Prep-time is virtually zero and cleanup time is rinsing the container when it's empty --…

You're right, I can't come up with a single meal that is as nutritious and balanced as one serving of Soylent. The thing is that unlike with Soylent you're not eating the exact same meal every time. If there's one thing we've learned the last couple of years it's that a lot of food science is bogus, and that we really don't know much about nutrition. The safe thing to do is to eat a large variety of foods. Is it safe…

> Is it healthier than eating a different reasonably healthy meal every day? Unlikely.

run the numbers! don't guess!

I also agree that if you're going to eat food, eat a wide variety of stuffs. It's about the only way to accumulate the best possible nutrition, and it keeps it from getting boring. I personally prefer lots of variety in food, but I really want to spend the time to enjoy it when I sit down to eat it.

> 3. It saves 10 minutes per day.

No, it saves 10x3 + cleanup (let's say 10minutes per meal) or 1 hour per day if you eat it for every meal (I don't).

Actually for my use-case it saves 0 minutes per day since I was just grabbing donuts at the coffee shop or breakfast bars or whatever on the way out the door in the morning. So in this case, it's not any less convenient, while it's far more nutritious.

> 2. It tastes bad.

It tastes "meh". But so do most things. One thing I've started to appreciate even more since getting Soylent is how "meh" most meals are, no matter where they're from or how they're made. I think sometimes we just have different kinds of meals just because it's "different" even if it's not better or even good.

> How much time do you spend maintaining your garden?

More than I'd like to, but not so much it's a huge burden. We grow long peppers, lettuce, perilla (just now starting to get good flavor), green onions. The lettuce and onions are from seed, the rest from sprouts. We're thinking of squash and cucumbers for next year. We've tried tomatoes but they're super fussy and you end up fighting with the stupid plant half the time. I'd like to get into garlic and potatoes.

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