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In Search of the Red Cross' $500M in Haiti Relief

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My wife and I worked in some Red Cross shelters in Lake Charles, LA in the immediate aftermath of Katrina. I wrote a bit about what I was doing here: http://arstechnica.com/security/2005/10/disaster-livecd/ My take-away from that is that I would never, ever donate a dime to that organization. The people in the local chapters who were the first to respond immediately after the disaster were fantastic. But when the nat…

Thank you for sharing. If you and your wife happen to recall some more details, please write that book (or article); it sounds like you have a lot of interesting and important things to tell. I'd love to read it.

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Maybe not as much as you'd think. Haiti doesn't have goods for ready cash. Most of the relief issue was shipping goods into the country where needed.

But maybe good ol' capitalism would have worked then, if many people had some income to spend, an enterprising importer could have shipped some stuff out of China or something :) . Relief can be very inefficient in those cases. I posted on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9666194 that jbniche's theory seems to be supported by the studies in that article. Edit: I think a combination of both approaches might be nee…

Good 'ol capitalism is more likely to operate the other way though: the since all my tenants/customers have significantly higher cash reserves than before and this village's supply chain and living options are actually even worse after the earthquake, I can put my prices up by even more way.

A fair amount of GiveDirectly's recipients' success comes from it only being a fraction of people in the village that receive the funds

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NPR is targeting ARC, but this is actually a bigger, more difficult problem for the charity industry than one organization not disclosing where it spends its money.

I used to work for a large ($500 million+ annual revenue) NGO fundraising department, both in major gifts and direct response marketing (digital), and I have colleagues who now work for similar organizations (including ARC). We would all tell you that most organizations, even (maybe especially) the largest ones, are absolutely horrible at having any idea whatsoever of the impact of their programs. Even worse, the leadership in these organizations are ambivalent at best at assessing the impact.

Why? Because organizations simply don't have much, if any, incentive to do so. And perhaps more shocking to me, the vast majority of donors don't care. Most people are content to give and reap the warm/fuzzy feeling they get, then not think about it again until year end when taxes are due. Simply put, most people treat giving like buying a product at the store: they hand over money in exchange for the warm and fuzzies. Transaction over.

The people who actually demand some sort of accountability are a minority who are often treated as anti-charity, as in, "Why would we spend money on assessing impact when we can spend that money helping more people?". The result are token 'watch dog' groups like Charity Navigator that latch on to red herrings like 'efficiency' ratings which non-profits have learned to manipulate to the point that they are functionally useless.

ARC is simply the product of a rotten system, and it is far from the only one. If you want to help cure this sickness, only give to organizations that can demonstrate the impact your dollars are having on the cause you care about. Ignore the so-called efficiency splits that say charity Y gives z% of your dollars to programs. These are accounting shenanigans, and nothing more

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"Morally reprehensible," in this situation, could be something like "bribe a corrupt official." If it takes bribing a corrupt official to save lives, I don't think most donors would have a real issue with that. However, admitting that publically would embarrass the official (if named), remove the efficacy of all future bribes (which are by nature secret), and could even open the organization up to legal action. I don…

> If it takes bribing a corrupt official to save lives, I don't think most donors would have a real issue with that. Except in this case it seems they bribed so many corrupt officials that there was nothing left for actual aide... I think it's far more plausible they just waste the money away on "Administrative" fees and project mismanagement at enormous scale. This is a "charitable" organization which has run rampan…

Agree wholeheartedly.

Something about non-profits seem to make them sacrosanct. If you criticize them among friends, it's almost certain that someone will rip into you for being miserly and not caring about the poor $VICTIMS.

Cynically, I think the root of this tendency is the fact that many people don't care about the efficacy of a donation, as such, but only about how it indicates the giver is a morally superior being, over all those non-givers. Whether the organization blows the money on coke and hookers (or, more plausibly, ineffective staffing and programs) is besides the point.

Especially organizations with powerful brands, like the Red Cross.

Re: In Search of the Red Cross' $500M in Haiti Relief

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Great, as if I didn't need more excuses not to give money. I think I stick to the local community soup kitchen/churches even though I'm not religious.

It's good to do things where you can witness and verify what's going on, but soup kitchens are many orders of magnitude less effective than distributing insecticide-treated bednets to combat malaria, or Givewell's other recommended charities.

soup kitchens and bednet distribution programs are trying to solve two different sets of problems, so I am not sure what you mean when you say that one is 'orders of magnitude less effective' than the other

Re: In Search of the Red Cross' $500M in Haiti Relief

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"Morally reprehensible," in this situation, could be something like "bribe a corrupt official." If it takes bribing a corrupt official to save lives, I don't think most donors would have a real issue with that. However, admitting that publically would embarrass the official (if named), remove the efficacy of all future bribes (which are by nature secret), and could even open the organization up to legal action. I don…

If I were a "big bad charity" I'd much rather spend my millions hiring Blackwater to go bust a few corrupt heads than pay them off. If we're going down the conspiracy theory path, at least make it exciting!

Actually, a charity devoted to rooting out corruption in developing countries would probably end up being one of the most efficient and effective for raising living standards.

Hire someone to offer the bribe. Target a well-known corrupt official, and gather lots of evidence to make it obvious that a bribe has happened. Publish the results, get a scalp.

On top of punishing the individual corrupt official, if every official knows that any bribe offered might be a trap, they'd be much more likely to turn it down. Certainly makes the cost of bribery for bribers a lot more expensive to account for the extra risk.

Hell, you don't even need to hire someone. Just have an open offer that if someone can prove they successfully bribed an official, you'll pay them three times the bribe amount.

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My antecdote about corruption in Haiti. Went to a friend's wedding in 2007. One of the guests worked at CIDA (Canadian International Development Agency). I asked the guest as many questions as I could. There was a preliminary research trip before a Canadian official made her visit to Haiti. The purpose? To geolocate and photograph the facilities. And when I say facilities, think toilets. Making sure the white Canadia…

> Making sure the white Canadian could poo-poo comfortably counted as aid. Well, yes of course, it is aid. And making sure also that this doctor can wash his hands before their next chirurgical intervention (is really so relevant to notice that is canadian, thus probably white?). Doctors also need to go to the bathroom (is not so easy if you are a woman). Or clean itselves of vomit and blood after a hard day. Somebod…

I'm going to counter with the fact that the CIDA worker thought that this was a complete waste of resources. Sending a team of people to look at how pretty the toilets are is ridiculous. If you can't see that, please don't oversee any charity money.

And I never said it was a doctor. And it wasn't. Just an official taking a tour.

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From my memory, they had a reputation for bait and switch - raising money during a disaster, but spending it elsewhere. I think they cleaned that up, including a change in leadership. This article is new in claiming innefectiveness at usefully spending money to help disaster victims. I would love to see a detailed audit.

It's not that they are duplicitous really - it's that stockpiling large amounts of supplies has a leadtime measured in months. Money you give today can't buy tents in Haiti tomorrow - those have to be ordered, manufactured, shipped...

I'm sorry, but tents do not have a lead time of five years.

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Thanks! I'm struck by the time commitment made by organization you worked for in Bolivia. Decades of work indicates a depth of relationship that seems to evade most NGO work done in Haiti, and your experience reinforces that for me. Did you come away from your Haiti experience with a favorable impression of any other organizations there?

I love the group Partners in Health. Mostly because of their founder Paul Farmer, I don't know how they've made the transition to being a bigger organization but when they were smaller they rocked Haiti in a good way. I personally met the founder of 1000 jobs. He goes down there a LOT and has personally spend his time and money on Haiti to a degree most people would find staggering. https://www.1000jobshaiti.org/jh/m…

Excellent, thank you for taking the time to tell your experience. I find the most valuable feedback comes from folks like you who are closest to the action.
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