Java is definitely not dead. As others have said, it is alive and very much kicking in Enterprise systems. Infact, if you or anyone reading this has an inkling to live overseas and few years experience and is at Senior Engineer or Team Lead level (corporate titles) it is great to leverage. Offshored locations around the world (note, I don't say Outsourced, still within the company) cry out for people with experience and international experience to inject to their teams for 1-n years.
Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
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Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#22Java is definitely not dead. As others have said, it is alive and very much kicking in Enterprise systems. Infact, if you or anyone reading this has an inkling to live overseas and few years experience and is at Senior Engineer or Team Lead level (corporate titles) it is great to leverage. Offshored locations around the world (note, I don't say Outsourced, still within the company) cry out for people with experience…
First you said a few years experience then you said Senior Engineer... so which one is it? I'd imagine by few you mean 1-5 years, is that enough to get Senior title?
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#23If you like to work on big legacy code bases, go for it.
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#24Forget J2EE, Java itself is dead. It got a bit of a shot-in-the-arm when Google chose it as a language for Android and it's had some activity around the JVM (e.g. Scala and also Twitter's fork of OpenJVM). But it's dead.
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Number one. Your FUD is utterly pathetic. Utterly. This BS needs to stop. You may not like the language, fine. But dead? FFS.
Whats interesting is if you look at the graph on that page... its as if all the languages are losing popularity (all have somewhat of a downward trajectory). One could argue that all that loss has gone into other not-index languages...
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#25Definitely alive.
(a designer in a big company)
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#26Java is definitely not dead. As others have said, it is alive and very much kicking in Enterprise systems. Infact, if you or anyone reading this has an inkling to live overseas and few years experience and is at Senior Engineer or Team Lead level (corporate titles) it is great to leverage. Offshored locations around the world (note, I don't say Outsourced, still within the company) cry out for people with experience…
First you said a few years experience then you said Senior Engineer... so which one is it? I'd imagine by few you mean 1-5 years, is that enough to get Senior title?
Yes. Corporate titles. JSE 0-1 year experience, SE 2-4, SSE 5-7 typically. There would be multiple SSEs on a team, a team 10-20 in size. So yes, SSE in 5 years is reasonable as a corporate title in multinational type companies.
Above that would be a Team Lead (late 20s/early 30s). A manager would manage 2-4 team leads. A Director / AVP 2-4 Managers. Technical Leads (senior non managers - perhaps what you're thinking) would be dotted around as needed.
But a lot depends on the product and business line. A business line with a simpler product would typically have everyone at 2-3 levels up the hierarchy above a business line with a simpler product.
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#27Forget J2EE, Java itself is dead. It got a bit of a shot-in-the-arm when Google chose it as a language for Android and it's had some activity around the JVM (e.g. Scala and also Twitter's fork of OpenJVM). But it's dead.
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Number one. Your FUD is utterly pathetic. Utterly. This BS needs to stop. You may not like the language, fine. But dead? FFS.
What runs the world:
#1) Excel Macros
#2) SQL
#3) Cobol
#4) Abap/Javascript/XML
JavaEE is for oursourced devs in india and people who took on programming to get a good salary.
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#28If you are referring Java Platform by JavaEE, Its alive, please read below to have an idea about next 20 years :)
https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2015/6/4/the_next_twenty_ye...
I develop on Java since 15 years, all these years I have seen most of the fortune 500 customers trust Java platform for their enterprise systems.
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
First you said a few years experience then you said Senior Engineer... so which one is it? I'd imagine by few you mean 1-5 years, is that enough to get Senior title?
Yes. Corporate titles. JSE 0-1 year experience, SE 2-4, SSE 5-7 typically. There would be multiple SSEs on a team, a team 10-20 in size. So yes, SSE in 5 years is reasonable as a corporate title in multinational type companies. Above that would be a Team Lead (late 20s/early 30s). A manager would manage 2-4 team leads. A Director / AVP 2-4 Managers. Technical Leads (senior non managers - perhaps what you're thinking)…
I strongly disagree about your estimate that Team Leads in Corporations are late 20s/early 30s. This may be in startups.
Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?
#30OP here: I don't get why this question is getting so many down votes.
If you're an experienced dev this might seem trivial to you. But for someone who just finished a 48 hours course called "JavaEE workshop" it isn't.