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Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by swisspol »

jv22222 wrote: post #93
stcredzero wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make something great you don't need to brag, it's just great, and people will get that. If the "brag" is factually correct and doesn't spin or otherwise misrepresent, what's the problem? Some people might be repelled by "brags." Others might be repelled by being overly concerned with someone else's style.

- "This will change your life as a developer" - "The Git interface you've been missing all your life has finally arrived." How can those possibly be factually correct brags? Edit: Looking in to swisspol's real world profile... I must admit he's achieved so much that he probably does have the right to brag, so this may all be a moot point anyway ;)

Hey, it's called promotion and marketing, don't read too much into it ;)

And it's not far at all from what a number of GitUp users are saying themselves: https://twitter.com/GitUpApp/favorites.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by stcredzero »

jv22222 wrote: post #93
stcredzero wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make something great you don't need to brag, it's just great, and people will get that. If the "brag" is factually correct and doesn't spin or otherwise misrepresent, what's the problem? Some people might be repelled by "brags." Others might be repelled by being overly concerned with someone else's style.

- "This will change your life as a developer" - "The Git interface you've been missing all your life has finally arrived." How can those possibly be factually correct brags? Edit: Looking in to swisspol's real world profile... I must admit he's achieved so much that he probably does have the right to brag, so this may all be a moot point anyway ;)

"This will change your life as a developer"

The Git interface you've been missing all your life has finally arrived."

Exactly what does "change your life" mean? This isn't false, as it's entirely subjective. Its inclusion in the marketing text is merely stylistic. You could even say that it's "not even correct," but, you can't say that it's false. The same goes for the second sentence, depending on your interpretation of it.

How can those possibly be factually correct brags?

Essentially, those are stylistic flourishes, typical of marketing, devoid of facts or falsehoods. Again, they are "not even incorrect" -- but all the same, you can't call them incorrect. This goes to my point: You are being concerned about the style of text, not with the content of the developer's output. This puts you into a strange position, as when you object to a tangible thing which can be evaluated empirically on the basis of its marketing style alone, you are just as guilty of style over substance as what you are objecting to.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by dcre »

Danack wrote: post #146
dcre wrote: post #72

I'm a SourceTree user on Mac. Just tried GitUp out for an hour. Here are the problems I have with SourceTree: * Slow as hell * No/bad keyboard shorts, and setting up custom ones is annoying and buggy * Uses tons of memory — it eventually gets up to 1 GB after running for a day or two, and my repos are not very big. My thoughts on GitUp: * Crazy fast (almost disarmingly so – I think it needs more visual confirmation w…

The slowness appears to be caused by continual directory scanning. For me at least, turning off the "Refresh when files change" option, and so having to do "view, refresh" or Command-R, made SourceTree be zippy again. And as I'm usually on a laptop, having less continued CPU usage is a good tradeoff against having to press refresh when I'm going to do something in SourceTree.

Good point. I have auto-refresh off and it helps a lot, but I still find the UI feels laggy.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by Too »

Danack wrote: post #146
dcre wrote: post #72

I'm a SourceTree user on Mac. Just tried GitUp out for an hour. Here are the problems I have with SourceTree: * Slow as hell * No/bad keyboard shorts, and setting up custom ones is annoying and buggy * Uses tons of memory — it eventually gets up to 1 GB after running for a day or two, and my repos are not very big. My thoughts on GitUp: * Crazy fast (almost disarmingly so – I think it needs more visual confirmation w…

The slowness appears to be caused by continual directory scanning. For me at least, turning off the "Refresh when files change" option, and so having to do "view, refresh" or Command-R, made SourceTree be zippy again. And as I'm usually on a laptop, having less continued CPU usage is a good tradeoff against having to press refresh when I'm going to do something in SourceTree.

Does not work, i've also heard from other sources that turning this option on makes it faster because then it uses some native file-changed-hooks instead of continuously polling the directory. For me both options are equally slow and many forum posts say the same. Sourcetree performance simply is crap and no fiddling with the options fixes this, nor should this fiddling be required. You can find bug tickets about performance issues dating back years but nothing happens, don't waste your time on sourcetree just because it looks shiny, use a tool that actually works.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by cheald »

fleetfox wrote: post #121
cheald wrote: post #87

It's kind of amusing to me how the pendulum has swung, and we're now producing OS X-only developer software. But then, I'm an oddball who works on Windows as my shell with the real work happening on a headless Linux box via SSH and Samba for 99% of my development.

Have you tried any flavor of linux? If you spend most of the time in terminal or IDE anyway it may be more productive to get rid of media gap.

I have tried many flavors of Linux (I presume you mean desktops - I've run GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and a bunch of others), and I run Fedora (dev) and Ubuntu (HTPC) boxes at home. I've tinkered with switching fulltime to Linux desktops a number of times, and they're great 99% solutions, but the big showstoppers for me have been DRM'd video (Netflix, Amazon) and Steam (I'm a gamer, and 95% of my library doesn't run on Linux). With my setup, literally everything I care about runs without any real effort, and I don't sacrifice any dev power.

The really nice thing about my setup is that because all I need is an SSH client, I can work from my Chromebook, Macbook, or even my phone if I have to, and I have full access to my whole dev environment from anywhere. The biggest thing I've lost is the ability to attach to processes directly to debug them, but I just end up using terminal-level debugging or remote debugging facilities when they're available, and it works fine.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by X-Istence »

zanny wrote: post #128
swisspol wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non-UI layer can be made 100% portable for sure (although in the GitUp case it's not really since I chose to write it in Obj-C for productivity reasons). The UI layer is absolutely not portable: it's all low-level CoreGraphics code for the rendering, some CoreAnimation, and a ton of AppKit of course. You could have a version written in a cross-platform UI toolkit or Java or what have you, but you could not possib…

I was under the impression Qt has been maintaining their Cocoa styling well. Has that changed? I haven't actually tested Qt software on OSX in about three years.

Even with the Cocoa styling, Qt based applications always seem to feel weird or out of place. Things like button placement, toolbars, things of that nature just don't "feel" right.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by cheald »

vectorpush wrote: post #136
cheald wrote: post #87

It's kind of amusing to me how the pendulum has swung, and we're now producing OS X-only developer software. But then, I'm an oddball who works on Windows as my shell with the real work happening on a headless Linux box via SSH and Samba for 99% of my development.

I use this setup at work and I love it, the only thing I miss from my at-home linux setup is that I can't yank and paste directly to system clipboard with Windows. It's pretty sweet being able to yank in one buffer, flip over to another tmux window or pane and be able to paste seamlessly.

Yeah, I've just learned to use the Windows clipboard rather than buffers when I want to move stuff. Takes a bit of self-training, but it's not too bad now.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by cheald »

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #113
cheald wrote: post #87

It's kind of amusing to me how the pendulum has swung, and we're now producing OS X-only developer software. But then, I'm an oddball who works on Windows as my shell with the real work happening on a headless Linux box via SSH and Samba for 99% of my development.

You're not the only oddball. Some of us work on Windows software and NEED the Windows box -- I also use too many Windows-only tools to make the jump to Mac. And what they do with Cmd-vs-Alt drives my fingers crazy, so I can't configure a Mac to be sane no matter what I try. And I use keyboard navigation to peruse menus, which OS X still hasn't implemented...the list goes on, and I stick with Windows.

Yup. I love that OS X is an actual POSIX environment with easy access to the standard GNU toolchain, but the UX drives me absolutely up the wall. I think that Windows 10 is actually a much nicer desktop than OS X.
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