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Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by baldfat »

cookiecaper wrote: post #65
baldfat wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to make an application closed source to have in app purchases. Look at mobaxterm [ http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/license.html ] It is licensed under GPL version 3. It has a free version and a professional version which cost $69 per user. This does not break the GPL. You may already know this but it seems like a lot of developers think open source mean Free as in cost. [ http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/sel…

Although the GPL allows authors to charge for software, it disposes of all legal copyright protections that make such charges practical. Charging for GPL software doesn't mean anyone will pay you, it just means that everyone will get the free builds from someone else, which is even less desirable than releasing free builds since you lose control of distribution. Look at Red Hat and CentOS for case in point.

GPL Encourages it doesn't discourage the charging of software. Please give me one source where they discourage charging fees for software. In regard to copyright you are 100% correct, but the GPL is copyleft not copyright. You can't blend in copyright and Open Source those are two different things unless the latest Google vs Oracle API fiasco follows through.

My favorite IDE RStudio is AGPL which offers a Open Source license that also allows them to charge for added features.

http://www.rstudio.com/pricing/

AGPL - The GNU Affero General Public License is a free, copyleft license for software and other kinds of works, specifically designed to ensure cooperation with the community in the case of network server software. [http://opensource.org/licenses/AGPL-3.0]

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by res0nat0r »

djur wrote: post #88
res0nat0r wrote: post #53

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What is wrong for charging money for a product you spend time developing that people want to buy because it provides them value?

There's nothing wrong with charging money for a product. You can charge money for a product without it being proprietary software.

There also is nothing wrong with proprietary software. Don't run it, or purchase it if you have some moral disagreement with it, but many people don't and are perfectly happy to pay money for it.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by jv22222 »

stcredzero wrote: post #75
jv22222 wrote: post #42

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Right. So... SHOW and don't tell ;) -- ie Axe/change the heckle raising verbiage. Edit: If you make something great you don't need to brag, it's just great, and people will get that. Edit 2: Think of it like this. You're creating a conversion funnel. People are landing on your page. If 50% of them instantly leave due to the bragging then the conversion funnel is not very optimized. You want as many people as possible…

If you make something great you don't need to brag, it's just great, and people will get that. If the "brag" is factually correct and doesn't spin or otherwise misrepresent, what's the problem? Some people might be repelled by "brags." Others might be repelled by being overly concerned with someone else's style.

- "This will change your life as a developer"

- "The Git interface you've been missing all your life has finally arrived."

How can those possibly be factually correct brags?

Edit: Looking in to swisspol's real world profile... I must admit he's achieved so much that he probably does have the right to brag, so this may all be a moot point anyway ;)

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by bcg1 »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #68
bcg1 wrote: post #67

Proprietary development tools are a trap. And this software is just a proprietary wrapper around a real community product. Doesn't matter if you rewrote the library for interacting with the database... standing on the shoulders of giants. Are we really at the point where "professional engineers" need to buy a GUI as a substitute for a fast, extensible, cross-platform command line tool that is so easy to use that even…

So you say, but if that's what everyone thought then GPL would have won instead of MIT. In every thread, the amount of "GPL is viral" people far outnumber the GPL defenders. It's clear that most people prefer to be able to build proprietary tools on top of open source ones.

So you say, but popularity "in every thread" (whatever that means) is a silly metric. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "then GPL would have won instead of MIT". Its not a war, even if some trendy corporate wannabe hacker tries to convince you that it is so that you give him the fruits of your labor for nothing. And if it was a war... show me the MIT licensed toolchain, the MIT licensed OS, etc. I'm not hating on permissively licensed free software at all, I appreciate those who write it and give it to the world... but I'm going to call you out if you try to sow the seeds of division among hackers.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by sp332 »

zapt02 wrote: post #74
cookiecaper wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although the GPL allows authors to charge for software, it disposes of all legal copyright protections that make such charges practical. Charging for GPL software doesn't mean anyone will pay you, it just means that everyone will get the free builds from someone else, which is even less desirable than releasing free builds since you lose control of distribution. Look at Red Hat and CentOS for case in point.

Yeah, Red Hat is really bleeding money from the all the lost sales caused by CentOS. I can't believe they only made a puny 1.53 billion dollar in revenue last year.. http://investors.redhat.com/financials-statements.cfm

VA Linux Systems set a record for largest IPO and then tanked. The vast majority of Free-software based businesses have tanked too. RedHat is really the exception.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by alexchamberlain »

cheald wrote: post #87

It's kind of amusing to me how the pendulum has swung, and we're now producing OS X-only developer software. But then, I'm an oddball who works on Windows as my shell with the real work happening on a headless Linux box via SSH and Samba for 99% of my development.

+1 I was going to make a rather sarcastic comment that this is for "professional engineers", but is OS X only. Ubuntu on a VirtualBox on Windows for me.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by swisspol »

dcre wrote: post #72

I'm a SourceTree user on Mac. Just tried GitUp out for an hour. Here are the problems I have with SourceTree: * Slow as hell * No/bad keyboard shorts, and setting up custom ones is annoying and buggy * Uses tons of memory — it eventually gets up to 1 GB after running for a day or two, and my repos are not very big. My thoughts on GitUp: * Crazy fast (almost disarmingly so – I think it needs more visual confirmation w…

Thanks for trying GitUp and for the feedback!

> The list of commits (Cmd+D) in the map view is useless

Could you provide feedback on http://forums.gitup.co about what you are specifically trying to do or what your workflow is?

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by chjohasbrouck »

There's something really satisfying about seeing a visual representation of my git repositories, but my overall impression is that I'm not going to get any productivity gains here.

If you know what you're doing, CLI is just faster. I understand that it's aimed at more novice developers, but I think for those developers it's even more important to use the command line. Developers that get into the habit of using unnecessary graphical UIs always seem worse off because of it.

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by Alupis »

dikaiosune wrote: post #63
aagha wrote: post #59

Awesome. Now 13% of people that would like to use it can [0]. Cool idea. Just wish it wasn't tied to Mac. 0 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system...

http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 If StackOverflow surveys are any indication, more like 21.5%. I completely agree that I wish it wasn't tied to Mac (Linux please and thank you), but the proportion of developers is higher on OS X than in the consumer market. I have no data to support this, but I suspect that many of those devs on Mac are also front-end, which (again, no data) makes me think that…

It's interesting to note that according to the same data points, Linux Desktop usage for developers is just about on par with OSX usage (20.5%).

Re: GitUp makes Git painless

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Post by alexchamberlain »

okal wrote: post #66

I realize this is a pretty broad question, but what is it about Git that people find painful ? Could be Stockholm Syndrome on my part, but I have a pretty hard time understanding why someone can't spend a week getting up to speed with a tool they intend to use for years to come.

I rather like the visualisation that gitk gives me, though. I'll never use a GUI to manipulate the tree, but to visualise it, it's very useful.
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