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Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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As a successful recent college dropout(3 years ago co-founded a company), my only fear is on what's next(on my career). b

Somehow, you end up solely relying on yourself, whereas many have degrees to do that.

Even with my solid experience, I doubt Google/Apple/Uber would ever hire me for an entry position.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

" it means that MIT/Stanford's primary value (to investors) is to act as an unspoken IQ test. "

IQ is one of the greatest corollaries to success, and from the research I've seen it's unlikely to change dramatically from age 8 till death. This is a topic I rarely see discussed.

A lot of people like to mention Gates, Jobs and Zuckerberg as examples of college dropout success, but fail to notice that those who succeed to a great degree all possess very high levels of intelligence. Gates, 1590 SAT. Zuckerberg, 1590 SAT. Kalanick, 1580 SAT (dropped out). Drew Houston, 1600 SAT. Read Patrick Collison's bio, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Collison.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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The article focuses on kids who drop out of college to start businesses. That's great but there are ways to succeed in tech without trying to build the next InstaBookSpaceGram. I'm a college dropout who I guess you could say is thriving in tech but I didn't start a business and don't have much of an entrepreneurial spirit. A little about me: I wrote my first line of code when i was 12 (perl) and went on to dabble in…

I have a similar experience. I also started out with perl in high school. When I started going to University, I sought out a tech job to provide myself with some supplemental income. Started out as an intern (this is where the luck came in) at a local tech company where I picked up valuable experience and was promoted to part-time. This provided the supplemental income I wanted.

After doing that for a couple of years, I realized this is what I love to do, so dropped out and went full-time. I didn't start a business or have an entrepreneurial spirit either, but I love problem solving and love getting good at it, which really helps in tech. Since I can demonstrate my value, no one thinks much about the lack of degree either.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #41

As a successful recent college dropout(3 years ago co-founded a company), my only fear is on what's next(on my career). b Somehow, you end up solely relying on yourself, whereas many have degrees to do that. Even with my solid experience, I doubt Google/Apple/Uber would ever hire me for an entry position.

I never finished my bachelor's and Google hired me for a senior position. There were several intervening years of experience though. And while I don't regret leaving the college program I was in, do regret not completing a decent advanced CS degree.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't work for me. All results are either parasitic sites' scrapes of the headline pointing to the original page, or that page itself. Nothing has the full text. The first Google hit from where I'm sitting leads to exactly the same URL as our submission: http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-dropouts-thrive-in-tech-... [EDIT: Problem solved. Searched using https://www.google.com/ncr (no country redirect). Looks like…

The WSJ paywall doesn't appear when you come from a Google search link. So it will be the same URL, but because of the referrer, you'll see the full text.

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Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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I'm happy for people who are able to drop out of college and start successful businesses, but it's hardly the end-all, be-all of entrepreneurship. There are whole classes of problems that you will never even be aware of the existence of without going through college to get the qualifications to get enough experience in a particular industry to encounter them. It's great if you can skip college build a new way for peo…

I'm exactly the person this article is talking about. Dropped out after a year, helped build a startup for two years afterwards (the dropout was unrelated to the startup). You're right, I'm completely unqualified to help make a space shuttle, but because of the on-the-job experience I got writing code for the startup (plus the architectural decisions I had to plan, implement, and handle fallout from), I'm more employable than a lot of my college graduate friends. And the ones who are more employable are so generally because of extracurricular experiences, not coursework.

They have more experience with lots of deeper CS topics, but I have yet to work with/for a real company where that's the limiting factor.

I'd also say that the dropout method is much less viable for professions other than programming, but that's because there are relatively few hardware startups looking for cheap high-skill workers and because other fields have had vastly longer time to formalize a body of knowledge. We've been building airplanes for 100 years, bridges for thousands, but single page applications are MAYBE double digit years old. College doesn't help if there's nobody with experience.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search "College Dropouts Thrive in Tech" on Google and click the first link. The paywall will be gone.

https://www.google.com/search?q=College+Dropouts+Thrive+in+T...

with this search it worked, but not with yours .. not sure why

https://news.google.com/news/search?tbm=nws&q=College%20Drop...

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #20

I'm happy for people who are able to drop out of college and start successful businesses, but it's hardly the end-all, be-all of entrepreneurship. There are whole classes of problems that you will never even be aware of the existence of without going through college to get the qualifications to get enough experience in a particular industry to encounter them. It's great if you can skip college build a new way for peo…

You are probably largely correct. A couple of counter-examples. They are from the Apollo program, hopefully they qualify as roughly equivalent.

NASA decided they needed honeycomb composites to insulate fuel tanks, but could not come up with the correct engineering to build them properly. Hired surfers to solve the problem.

http://www.sciencechannel.com/video-topics/space-videos/moon...

The Apollo space suits were designed and constructed by Playtex, a garment manufacturer.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/neil-armstrongs-spaces...

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #14

Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

people in power vote with their wallets. [...] If you want to be a neurosurgeon, you must finish medical school. But the tech dollars funding programmers are saying something else. Measuring skill/ability doesn't only produce a measurement - it produces a measurement with certain error bars. Imagine two candidates for a job: Candidate 1: "skill somewhere between 4 and 10, probably 8, salary required 5" Candidate 2: "…

And if you're investing in 20 startups, why not take a few interesting gambles on the crazy outliers in hopes that they will be the the money-printing machine of a Gates / Jobs / Zuckerberg.

As long as the inventor seems smart and fanatical enough, and the idea is a good one that addresses or transforms an enormous market, it may be worth a few million bucks of portfolio money to see what he can do with it.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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During the dot.com bubble I interviewed a number of people who had dropped out of college to jump into work. In general they did not have any trouble finding work. However when the bubble burst and the job market crashed dramatically, those same people were unreasonably discriminated against as there were plenty of 'degreed' people to fill positions so the folks without at least a bachelors degree were having a hard…

This was me. I left my 4 year degree my senior year in 1999 for to write code for a living. After the crash I started to be declined even an interview because I didn't have a degree, even though I had been working for great, well known companies doing some great work. HR people literally shooed me away on phone interviews, and even startups were only looking at people with degrees. Four years ago it happened again, and I had enough. I went back to school (working full time with side projects, as well as 2 year old and newborn in my life), losing two years of credits to study business. I graduated last month with over $40k in student loans at 37 years old just so the next time I don't get the brush off for having completed 3.5 years of university.

The odd thing is that even without a degree I so see if the candidates I interview have one or not. I'll never not hire someone without a degree, but I do tend to ask about the lack of a degree or even about leaving school. I guess I do for personal reasons since I knew that it made me tense in some interview processes, but also to reassure the candidate that it's not going to hinder them in the consideration.

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